Comments Thread For: Daniel Dubois and Anthony Joshua Involved In Altercation Ahead Of Big-Fight Announcement

[PRINCEKOOL]

Haven't you noticed that lineage only comes into the conversation when, for whatever reason, the best men in the division are not fighting each other?

If the best fight the best consistently, there is no need to worry about the lineage. It will take care of itself.

Usyk has said that being the lineal champion means nothing to him. Reason being that Usyk fights whoever, wherever. He doesn't need to resort to any, "I beat him and he beat him ..." bullcrap to validate his championship status.

April 29th 2017, was the point in Heavyweight Boxing History were a definitive debate could be made that the Lineal Heavyweight title was taken from Tyson Fury 'In my opinion, there is a definitive debate that Anthony Joshua inherited that Crown. When he stepped up and fought the version of Wladimir Kiltshko, who Tyson Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch'.

Anthony Joshua's performance vs Wladimir Kiltscko, was a more conclusive win 'Joshua's performance in that fight, totally eclipsed Tyson Fury's performance vs Wladimir Kiltschko'.

It was Anthony Joshua in his 19th professional fight, who stepped up and conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty. 'Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years, and that was the night when the division was conclusively took into a completely new dynasty'.

Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Kiltschko once over the distance 'Then he disappeared'. No new Heavyweight dynasty was declared or initiated, Wladimir Kiltschko a Champion of close to 10 years, contrary to what certain narratives have tried to promote? Wladimir Kiltschko never retired, he immediately initiated a forced the rematch with Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury pulled out of their scheduled rematch twice, unfortunately due to his then circumstance'.

Champions of the calibre of Wladimir Kiltschko do not disappear or are dethroned after 1 loss over the distance 'It was a injustice, that a Champion of close to 10 years was not given the opportunity to win back his Titles'.

But Wladimir Kiltschko was given that opportunity vs Anthony Joshua 'It was Anthony Joshua, not Tyson Fury who forced Wladimir Kiltschko to retire. That was the moment when the Heavyweight Division was taken into a completely new Dynasty'.

Note: Tyson Fury's victory over Wladimir Kiltschko is a mega win, and in terms of historical significance 'Both Tyson Fury's and Anthony Joshua's win's over Wladimir Kiltschko, are still the greatest wins of this Heavyweight era. This is due to Wladimir Kilschko, being the last all time great Heavyweight Champion'.

'But no boxing historian, or so called expert can claim that when Tyson Fury was victorious over Wladimir Kiltschko ? That the Heavyweight Division was taken into a new dynasty. Because Tyson Fury as a Champion did not stay around and defend his titles'.

Tyson Fury's real first Heavyweight reign did not start until he fought Deontay Wilder in their rematch 'Oleksandr Uysk brought the dissolution to that reign, on May 18th 2024 when he beat Tyson Fury'.

To conclude: The Lineal Heavyweight title can only be lost inside the ring, or when a fighter vacate's that title 'By not defending it's honor'. Tyson Fury when he beat Wladimir Kiltschko, unfortunately due to his then circumstance vacated the Lineal Heavyweight Title' etc.

[kafkod]

Not really, but I have noticed how how these alphabet gangsters have seeped into minds of boxing fans, to the detriment of the sport.

It doesn't really matter what Usyk thinks, one way or the other. Fact of the matter is, he beat Fury. He is Now THE World Heavyweight Champion (no matter how many or how few of those gaudy belts he has)

Just on Usyk, I presume u consider the winner of Joshua - Dubois, World Heavyweight Champion

The winner of AJ vs Dubois will be the IBF world title holder.

Usyk will be recognised as the REAL HW champ because he holds all the other belts and recently beat both of them.

[kafkod]

April 29th 2017, was the point in Heavyweight Boxing History were a definitive debate could be made that the Lineal Heavyweight title was taken from Tyson Fury 'In my opinion, there is a definitive debate that Anthony Joshua inherited that Crown. When he stepped up and fought the version of Wladimir Kiltshko, who Tyson Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch'.

Anthony Joshua's performance vs Wladimir Kiltscko, was a more conclusive win 'Joshua's performance in that fight, totally eclipsed Tyson Fury's performance vs Wladimir Kiltschko'.

It was Anthony Joshua in his 19th professional fight, who stepped up and conclusively took the Heavyweight Division into a completely new dynasty. 'Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years, and that was the night when the division was conclusively took into a completely new dynasty'.

Tyson Fury beat Wladimir Kiltschko once over the distance 'Then he disappeared'. No new Heavyweight dynasty was declared or initiated, Wladimir Kiltschko a Champion of close to 10 years, contrary to what certain narratives have tried to promote? Wladimir Kiltschko never retired, he immediately initiated a forced the rematch with Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury pulled out of their scheduled rematch twice, unfortunately due to his then circumstance'.

Champions of the calibre of Wladimir Kiltschko do not disappear or are dethroned after 1 loss over the distance 'It was a injustice, that a Champion of close to 10 years was not given the opportunity to win back his Titles'.

But Wladimir Kiltschko was given that opportunity vs Anthony Joshua 'It was Anthony Joshua, not Tyson Fury who forced Wladimir Kiltschko to retire. That was the moment when the Heavyweight Division was taken into a completely new Dynasty'.

Note: Tyson Fury's victory over Wladimir Kiltschko is a mega win, and in terms of historical significance 'Both Tyson Fury's and Anthony Joshua's win's over Wladimir Kiltschko, are still the greatest wins of this Heavyweight era. This is due to Wladimir Kilschko, being the last all time great Heavyweight Champion'.

'But no boxing historian, or so called expert can claim that when Tyson Fury was victorious over Wladimir Kiltschko ? That the Heavyweight Division was taken into a new dynasty. Because Tyson Fury as a Champion did not stay around and defend his titles'.

Tyson Fury's real first Heavyweight reign did not start until he fought Deontay Wilder in their rematch 'Oleksandr Uysk brought the dissolution to that reign, on May 18th 2024 when he beat Tyson Fury'.

To conclude: The Lineal Heavyweight title can only be lost inside the ring, or when a fighter vacate's that title 'By not defending it's honor'. Tyson Fury when he beat Wladimir Kiltschko, unfortunately due to his then circumstance vacated the Lineal Heavyweight Title' etc.

There is no such thing the Lineal Heavyweight Title.

There is a lineage of champions, which is a historical record of world title holders. But no actual lineal title. It literally does not exist.

[billeau2]

Not really, but I have noticed how how these alphabet gangsters have seeped into minds of boxing fans, to the detriment of the sport.

It doesn't really matter what Usyk thinks, one way or the other. Fact of the matter is, he beat Fury. He is Now THE World Heavyweight Champion (no matter how many or how few of those gaudy belts he has)

Just on Usyk, I presume u consider the winner of Joshua - Dubois, World Heavyweight Champion

Exactly... Kafkod makes a false equivocation: Because the lineal only comes up when needed... Because fighters may not care about, or even know about it... It is assumed it is not necessary. This thinking is hard to correct. It is kind of like explaining to your 20 year old kid why he should procure good medical insurance for the future lol.

Kafkod's idiocy is symptomatic of fans, who are all too willing to give their power away to middle men like the alphabet cartel.

[harry-greb]

Exactly... Kafkod makes a false equivocation: Because the lineal only comes up when needed... Because fighters may not care about, or even know about it... It is assumed it is not necessary. This thinking is hard to correct. It is kind of like explaining to your 20 year old kid why he should procure good medical insurance for the future lol.

Kafkod's idiocy is symptomatic of fans, who are all too willing to give their power away to middle men like the alphabet cartel.

Couldn't have put it better myself

[harry-greb]

The winner of AJ vs Dubois will be the IBF world title holder.

Usyk will be recognised as the REAL HW champ because he holds all the other belts and recently beat both of them.

So if we go further, and let's say Usyk is stripped of all alphabet trinkets, and other fighters fight for and win those vacant trinkets, who will be the Heavyweight champion of the world???

[kafkod]

So if we go further, and let's say Usyk is stripped of all alphabet trinkets, and other fighters fight for and win those vacant trinkets, who will be the Heavyweight champion of the world???

What if Usyk beats Fury again then retires. Who will be the heavyweight champion of the world then?

[harry-greb]

What if Usyk beats Fury again then retires. Who will be the heavyweight champion of the world then?

U didn't answer my question, but I'll answer yours. I don't know about u, but Usyk has always struck me as being a man of his word. The polar opposite of Fury, who's "retired" about 50 times.
If Usyk beats fury and retires, the championship will become vacant and the top 2 contenders will fight to crown a new champion.

[kafkod]

U didn't answer my question, but I'll answer yours. I don't know about u, but Usyk has always struck me as being a man of his word. The polar opposite of Fury, who's "retired" about 50 times.
If Usyk beats fury and retires, the championship will become vacant and the top 2 contenders will fight to crown a new champion.

Your question was too hypothetical and vague to answer.

Why would Usyk be stripped of his titles?
Failing a PED test?
Refusing to fight his mandos?
Not fighting anybody at all for 2/3 years?

If Usyk retires, who will pick the top 2 contenders to fight for the non-existent lineal title? Who has the right and authority to pick them?

If Usyk retired, then changed his mind and came back, like Fury did, who would be the lineal champ then, Usyk or the winner of the fight between the top 2 contenders?

[harry-greb]

Obviously not a ped test. Come on now. Let's say he refuses to fight mandatories, and he's stripped of the trinkets. Who will be the Heavyweight champion??

Just looking at the Ring and Tbrb rankings, there is a consensus that Fury and Joshua are the Top 2 contenders.
You're not going to argue with that surely!!