I can't believe Canelo fans are really out there trying to say BJS has a chance on the cards

[ShoulderRoll]

Lmfao.

The debate rages? More like you have a small group of the community who are complete delusional fanboys and/or have agendas other than boxing on their mind.

GGG won against Canelo EASILY the first go around and there is no ****ing argument. The best argument Canelo groupies could manage is "a draw is fair". What does that tell you about those score cards?

The average score was 8-4 and as wide as 9-3 for GGG. Everyone who watched the fight including fans and media had this fight wide for GGG.

Do people even need to mention that 117-111 card?

Come on.

So youre telling me the only way to win against Canelo is is win at least 10 rounds. Is that what you're telling me? Because even though Floyd won 10 rounds one judge still had the fight even at 114-114.

Such a ****ing stain on boxing yet you guys love it because your guy got the result you wanted. Disgusting.

Canelo vs Golovkin was a close fight, I'm sorry if that offends you. No one in their right mind saw it as 9-3 for either fighter.

Saying that it's "impossible" for BJS to win on the scorecards sounds like people are just making excuses already. Canelo has lost on the cards before and he can lose on the cards again.

[garfios]

Tito was a star in his own right. Mosley had star power

BJS is an unknown to the American sports fan

and whites aren’t the draws that blacks and Mexicans are

ggg had some stardom and couldn’t get the nod neither time

if this is controversial, let see if Alvarez rematches BJS.

Trout and Lara weren’t given rematch. ggg got one

we will see

And Lara definitely won that fight. There's no way ginger won 7 rounds that night. I know Lara took a couple of rounds off, still canelo was hitting air and arms.

[ShoulderRoll]

And Lara definitely won that fight. There's no way ginger won 7 rounds that night. I know Lara took a couple of rounds off, still canelo was hitting air and arms.

Lara was horribly negative in that fight.

[Citizen Koba]

So you have to beat him 10-2 to have a chance? lol

Not sure what happened there, were you trying to quote me or Roll? I think I started answering Roll's post and then abandoned it halfway through cos...well, what's the point? Somehow I ended up with half a quote in my post.

Everyone on here knows Canelo gets favourable scorecards, just seems like some of them are trying make out like it's not a big deal... make no mistake I think the kid's a damn good fighter but he's also about the most privileged boxer we've seen in recent years.

Point I was gonna make is that whilst technically Roll might be correct that it's not actually 'impossible' to beat Canelo on the cards he's also being a little disingenuous in using the example of a complete domination by another AAA lister. In effect the implication is that to beat Canelo on the cards you wouldn't simply have to land more clean effective punches in more rounds, you'd actually have to completely outclass him to the point where scoring the fight in his favour would be an absolute absurdity... and I guess even then the result wouldn't be guaranteed given the Ross card.

Is it possible? Technically yes. Is it realistic? No... there is no current fighter at 168 or even 175 who I think could dominate Canelo to the point where I'd expect the judges to rule in their favour although there's a coupla I reckon would have a shot on a level field.

For me personally it's a turn off... nothing against Canelo personally but it kinda takes a lot of the fun and drama out of fights when you got in your head that even if the underdog somehow defies the odds and makes a case for winning they still ain't gonna get the nod.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Canelo vs Golovkin was a close fight, I'm sorry if that offends you. No one in their right mind saw it as 9-3 for either fighter.

Saying that it's "impossible" for BJS to win on the scorecards sounds like people are just making excuses already. Canelo has lost on the cards before and he can lose on the cards again.

What offends me is your ******ity. Get facts straight.

The first fight was close but CLEAR.

Pretty big difference. And odd how you chose to argue an extreme instead of the average just to fit your agenda? How cute is that?

So what about all the people including myself who scored the fight 8-4 GGG? This was a VERY COMMON card. What about 7-5? Lmfao. You want dispute this? Do you really?

And Canelo only lost one fight on the cards to and A side bigger than himself isn't that right? And even in losing on those cards he still managed to rob Floyd of a UD due to that 114-114 scorecard.

Do you want to argue that Canelo doesn't have a consistent history of favorable scorecards? Do you really want to do that?

It A side cash cow Floyd dominated Canelo and Canelo still got a 114-114 card its rigged as ****. Floyd won at least 10 rounds so how do you get 114-114? If GGG needs to win 8 rounds to score a damn draw with Canelo its rigged.

Yet you think some obscene no one who has no drawing power whatsoever and no name value is going to win on the cards? Lmfao.

Even if BJS won 8 rounds Canelo would still manage to pull a draw and this is based on his history. You can't can't dispute that yet you're still trying to.

Come on. Talk odds why don't you? Odds are even if BJS shows up and puts on the performance of his lifetime he WILL STILL LOSE ON CARDS.

History repeats itself. If you need to keep on lying to yourself go ahead.

[Boxing-1013]

If you (a guy who walks around with Canelo's semen on his breathe and Canelo's palm prints on his azs) had this for Mayweather 7-5, that's a dead giveaway that it was really a 10-2 win for Floyd and that would be an accurate score for what actually happened.

Did you put on your pink leotards before jerking it to your favorite sweaty Canelo poster today?

Exactly....the best a Canelo fan can say about the Floyd fight is that Floyd deserved the win. Basically you have to beat Canelo 10-2 on a Canelo fan-card to beat him in their eyes. In other words, it will never happen.

[Boxing-1013]

Do you really believe BJS can beat Canelo in at least 7 rounds?

If the best version of him shows up, I think he could fight very competitively vs Canelo on my card. I don't expect that version of him to show up, however. We will see.

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Not sure what happened there, were you trying to quote me or Roll? I think I started answering Roll's post and then abandoned it halfway through cos...well, what's the point? Somehow I ended up with half a quote in my post.

Everyone on here knows Canelo gets favourable scorecards, just seems like some of them are trying make out like it's not a big deal... make no mistake I think the kid's a damn good fighter but he's also about the most privileged boxer we've seen in recent years.

Point I was gonna make is that whilst technically Roll might be correct that it's not actually 'impossible' to beat Canelo on the cards he's also being a little disingenuous in using the example of a complete domination by another AAA lister. In effect the implication is that to beat Canelo on the cards you wouldn't simply have to land more clean effective punches in more rounds, you'd actually have to completely outclass him to the point where scoring the fight in his favour would be an absolute absurdity... and I guess even then the result wouldn't be guaranteed given the Ross card.

Is it possible? Technically yes. Is it realistic? No... there is no current fighter at 168 or even 175 who I think could dominate Canelo to the point where I'd expect the judges to rule in their favour although there's a coupla I reckon would have a shot on a level field.

What annoys me is that people want to act like Canelo is "privileged" because he has gotten the nod in very close fights against 2 boxers. Trying to exaggerate that into him being some kind of King of Robberies is bullcrap.

The Floyd card is irrelevant because he lost that fight so to me there's no reason to complain.

He will likely dominate Saunders anyway, seems like all this talk about "BJS will never get a fair shake" is nothing more than a way to distract from that and needlessly stir hate against the guy.

[Boxing-1013]

Not sure what happened there, were you trying to quote me or Roll? I think I started answering Roll's post and then abandoned it halfway through cos...well, what's the point? Somehow I ended up with half a quote in my post.

Everyone on here knows Canelo gets favourable scorecards, just seems like some of them are trying make out like it's not a big deal... make no mistake I think the kid's a damn good fighter but he's also about the most privileged boxer we've seen in recent years.

Point I was gonna make is that whilst technically Roll might be correct that it's not actually 'impossible' to beat Canelo on the cards he's also being a little disingenuous in using the example of a complete domination by another AAA lister. In effect the implication is that to beat Canelo on the cards you wouldn't simply have to land more clean effective punches in more rounds, you'd actually have to completely outclass him to the point where scoring the fight in his favour would be an absolute absurdity... and I guess even then the result wouldn't be guaranteed given the Ross card.

Is it possible? Technically yes. Is it realistic? No... there is no current fighter at 168 or even 175 who I think could dominate Canelo to the point where I'd expect the judges to rule in their favour although there's a coupla I reckon would have a shot on a level field.

For me personally it's a turn off... nothing against Canelo personally but it kinda takes a lot of the fun and drama out of fights when you got in your head that even if the underdog somehow defies the odds and makes a case for winning they still ain't gonna get the nod.

On the bold, that is my point as well. The drama and intrigue is largely out of the fight. It's now just a 'do I have nothing better to do that night' type of fight for me.

[ShoulderRoll]

What offends me is your ******ity. Get facts straight.

The first fight was close but CLEAR.

Pretty big difference. And odd how you chose to argue an extreme instead of the average just to fit your agenda? How cute is that?

So what about all the people including myself who scored the fight 8-4 GGG? This was a VERY COMMON card. What about 7-5? Lmfao. You want dispute this? Do you really?

And Canelo only lost one fight on the cards to and A side bigger than himself isn't that right? And even in losing on those cards he still managed to rob Floyd of a UD due to that 114-114 scorecard.

Do you want to argue that Canelo doesn't have a consistent history of favorable scorecards? Do you really want to do that?

It A side cash cow Floyd dominated Canelo and Canelo still got a 114-114 card its rigged as ****. Floyd won at least 10 rounds so how do you get 114-114? If GGG needs to win 8 rounds to score a damn draw with Canelo its rigged.

Yet you think some obscene no one who has no drawing power whatsoever and no name value is going to win on the cards? Lmfao.

Even if BJS won 8 rounds Canelo would still manage to pull a draw and this is based on his history. You can't can't dispute that yet you're still trying to.

Come on. Talk odds why don't you? Odds are even if BJS shows up and puts on the performance of his lifetime he WILL STILL LOSE ON CARDS.

History repeats itself. If you need to keep on lying to yourself go ahead.

You're entitled to score fights however you want, but 9-3 is so far from reality that it's not even worth acknowledging.

Let's let Saunders show up and put on a good performance first before we start complaining about any cards. The likelihood is that he's going to get his butt kicked, Canelo is operating at an elite level right now with his mix of physical prime plus high boxing IQ/experience.