im glad that these "experts" are doubting floyd. just make the win that much more satisfying when he gets it
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Originally posted by chiyoko View PostAs if Floyd didnt move up in weight to beat many fighters DelHoya included.
By the way which top fighter did Manny beat at 147 because DelaHoya was coming down from 154 and he wasnt even a top fighter.DelaHoya struggled with a feather fisted Forbes
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Originally posted by baracuda View Postfloyd' just not yet battletested againsts the best!.....he's great vs bruseles,baldo,gatti,etc though
Just interested in your thoughts.
Impatience was Floyd's undoing. But it was for good rea$on.
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Originally posted by baracuda View Postgo ahead and rip it and see if manny's resume changes!....lol
I just read an article talking about both Pac & Floyd moving up in weight and they act like Pac did it way better because he was still knocking every guy out and Floyd couldnt do that. They dont even aknowledge and probably dont realize that when Floyd moves up he's fighting guys who outweigh him by 15 or more pounds in the ring while Pac moves up and he's the bigger guy in nearly every single fight and the much bigger guy in most fights. I mean, Floyd could move up to HW if he's going to be the bigger man in every fight. There paths are nothing alike but people like to judge them like its exactly the same. Its not. Pac was coming in the ring at 147pounds for his 130 fights against EM. Floyd was 146 at WW. How can you judge them the same? Its night and day but people take that and run with it and automatically make Pac better without even noticing those type of things. Floyd fought Oscar at 154 and came into the ring at 148 while Pac was destroying EM and making him quit at 130 while coming into the ring at just 1 pound less then Floyd was at 154. People were mocking EM for quiting but are they seeing what was happening? EM was way past his prime and Pac physicaly made EM look like a boy. EM is a big guy in his ownright and physicaly it was no match for the huge Pac with that size. Thats why EM shook his head and didnt want to get up. It was like he was in the ring with a WW for a 130 pound fight
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They are both great fighters but i have to agree with him thats pac cv is better than floyds. His battles with the 3 mexican legends no matter what way you look at it is pretty impressive. Morales may have been over the hill a bit but the first barerra fight was legit. Same with the jmm fights. The wins over hatton and de la hoya were also more impressive than floyds.
If you think about it, floyd retired with a stacked WW division looking at him, i just dont think pac would have done that if the positions were reversed. Now pacs camp is activally talking about fighting the likes of cotto and mosley and i think they are serious. Thats just the type of guy pac is.
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Originally posted by Benny Leonard View PostAnybody on Pac's resume that could have beaten Floyd from 130-140?
Just interested in your thoughts.
Impatience was Floyd's undoing. But it was for good rea$on.
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Originally posted by DLT View Postbut youre missing my main point. my point is that people like to pick apart Floyd's resume but I can easily do the same to Pac. I dont mind someone saying that they think its better but to say that its clearly better or that Floyd's is inferior's like alot of people on here say, thats just crazy. Remember when I picked apart Pac's resume the other day? I only did it half way. I couldve went further. Later someone in that same page responded to me by saying that they could do the same to Floyd's resume or anyone's but that was my point in the 1st place. Stop trying to play this dude's resume up. He just has names but its not 100% legit when you break it down. To me the media is so biased towards the non dark hispanic fighters so its always going to be skewed. I remember that everyone always had EM, Pac, MAB, and JMM all ranked super high and never dropped them despite them losing to eachother. They think its ok to lose as long as it was against eachother because they were so good. I use to get upset and say, how do you know how good they are right now if they dont fight any of the other top guys. They dont give those guys chances but the media loves those 4 guys. Then EM fights someone like Raheem and loses or JMM fights Norwood and loses or MAB fights Jones and loses. You see what Im saying? They pick who they like and either your in the group or out of it and they love Pac and hate Floyd.
I just read an article talking about both Pac & Floyd moving up in weight and they act like Pac did it way better because he was still knocking every guy out and Floyd couldnt do that. They dont even aknowledge and probably dont realize that when Floyd moves up he's fighting guys who outweigh him by 15 or more pounds in the ring while Pac moves up and he's the bigger guy in nearly every single fight and the much bigger guy in most fights. I mean, Floyd could move up to HW if he's going to be the bigger man in every fight. There paths are nothing alike but people like to judge them like its exactly the same. Its not. Pac was coming in the ring at 147pounds for his 130 fights against EM. Floyd was 146 at WW. How can you judge them the same? Its night and day but people take that and run with it and automatically make Pac better without even noticing those type of things. Floyd fought Oscar at 154 and came into the ring at 148 while Pac was destroying EM and making him quit at 130 while coming into the ring at just 1 pound less then Floyd was at 154. People were mocking EM for quiting but are they seeing what was happening? EM was way past his prime and Pac physicaly made EM look like a boy. EM is a big guy in his ownright and physicaly it was no match for the huge Pac with that size. Thats why EM shook his head and didnt want to get up. It was like he was in the ring with a WW for a 130 pound fight
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