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    Fitzsimmons vs. Corbett A 26 minute fight review

    I also did a full blow by blow review of what's left of Corbett vs Fitzsimmons....all 26 minutes of it. The review also sheds light on the styles of the fighters.

    Fitzsimmons vs Corbett. Referee is Hall of famer George Siler.

    Pre Fight: The story goes….. The two met in a hotel. Fitzsimmons extends his hand. Corbett grabs Fitzsimmons nose and twists it! There is bad blood from the start between these two.

    Notes: This fight is on DVD. To best report the action, I will freeze frame the DVD ever 20 seconds, then report what has happened. This way the entire rounds worth of action will be fresh in my mind. All major occurrences will be reported, but minor stuff will be left out. I am not sure if the rounds go in sequence or not.

    Opening. Arena is shown. Then Fitzsimmons and Corbett smile before the camera. Corbett seems to like the camera more so than Fitzsimmons.

    Frame One: ( shown as round one ). The film seems to run a little slow. The fighters move to the center of the ring. Fitzsimmons swings twice! Corbett moves out of the way of the first than blocks the other! Corbett lands a quick 1-2. Great speed and footwork by Corbett. Its on level with a young Ali. Fitzsimmons hand speed seems faster than Marciano’s and about even with Dempsey’s. Fitzsimmons stance is knees bent, with him leaning backwards a bit. Corbett is very much on his toes. Fitzsimmons is something of a shuffling plodder moving forward, but he has a bounce in his step.

    Back to the action! After Corbett lands the 1-2 they clinch then push off. Left hook lands by Corbett. Technique is good. Then a jab by Corbett. Corbett circles to his right around Fitzsimmons, firing probing body shots. They clinch then push off. Fitz plods in. Corbett feints high with his right then bends at the waist and sticks in a straight left to the body.

    Wow, that was great. Perfectly set up and executed with fantastic speed. The bell sounds and the fighters walk back to the corner. Corbett wins the round easy. Fitz only was landing in the clinches.

    ***I time the seconds in-between rounds to see how slow the film is. I have no idea exactly when the bell sounded due to this being a silent film, but the time in-between round is 1 minute 25 seconds. So, 60 seconds = 85 seconds on this film. This explains why the film looks slow when people are walking around. However when the fighters move or throw punches, they both have good speed, especially Corbett. In between the rounds the fighters are fanned off by towels. The fight is outdoors in the desert sun.***

    Frame Two: This is round two. Fighters meet in the center of the ring. Corbett lands then clinches. They break. Fitzsimmons gives chase, but Corbett keeps an equal distance moving backwards or laterally. Fitzsimmons footwork is no match for Corbett’s. Fitzsimmons swings. Corbett blocks then counters. Hard body shot by Corbett. A clinch, then break. Corbett lands a sneaky right in the clinch. Fitzsimmons is quick with his punches, but Corbett is getting out of the clinches, or blocking. Lots of clinching.

    Corbett feints low with his left, and goes high with his right! HaHa, exact opposite of what he did in round one. The right lands hard. Corbett now working Fitz over in the corner off screen. Corbett backs up. Fitz advances. Corbett counters hard. I must say Corbett is a great clincher, much stronger than I pictured, plus he knows how to push off and re-set.

    Fitzsimmons lands hard on the inside for a change. Fitz lands a right. They clinch. They break. Fitz swings, Corbett ducks a viscous looking right, then counters with a 1-2 to the body and a head shot. I am very impressed with Corbett’s skills and defense. He looks like a highly skilled lightweight at 185 pounds! Bell rings. Corbett’s round though Fitzsimmons landed some good shots.


    Frame three: They meet in the center of the ring. Corbett gets Fitz in a head lock and grins, and then pushes Fitzsimmons several feet backwards!

    Gentleman Jim is far stronger than given credit for, even if he has Fitz by 18 pounds, that was quite a shove. Fitzsimmons boars in. Corbett clinches and head locks him again! Quick jab by Corbett. Fitzsimmons had no chance at blocking it. Fitzsimmons counters with a hard right as they fight! Right swing lands for Corbett, then an uppercut. Yes it was an uppercut. Corbett
    in attack. More hard shots by Corbett, then spirited clinching! BAM! Big right hand by Corbett. Another one. A quick left in the blink of an eye, then a right. Fitzsimmons in retreat in his corner. 1-2 by Corbett. A clinch. Then a left and hard right by Corbett. Fitzsimmons' head snaps back and forth. A hard hook to the body by Corbett. Fitz down on one knee clinching for 3-4 seconds timed by me. Referee Siler starts the count.

    WTF!!! Siler is restringing Corbett and escorting him away from Fitzsimmons. There was no neutral corner rule!! It seems like Siler is being partial to Fitzsimons here. Was this in the rules? More on Siler being partial in the Gans vs McGovern later!!!

    Fitzsimmons gets up. I believe he could have gotten up sooner if he chose to do so. Corbett moves in for the kill! Fitzsimmons has to fight his way out of a corner. Good action, but the sun come out and blurs the film a bit. It is written that Fitzsimsons could recover quickly from hard shots. Yes, this is the case on film! Big round for Corbett. 10-8

    ***Referee Siler is talking to the time keeper. Heated discussion. Now he is bending his elbow back and forth and shaking his finger. Siler is pissed at something. He is arguing with one of Corbett’s corner man, perhaps about the alleged slow count, or Siler restraining Corbett after the knockdown.
    This goes on for the entire time in-between rounds. Outside of this, Siler is a great ref. He stays away from the action, and makes sure the breaks are clean.

    Frame four: Fitzsimmons shuffling back and forth. It looks like he wants to catch Corbett coming in. Shots exchanged. Hard hook by Fitzsimmons in a clinch. Corbett switches up a bit. He jabs then clinches. Looked like John Ruiz there. Hard right to the head by Corbett. Corbett still very quick on his feet. Fitzsimmons can not catch up to Corbett. Another clinch. Ref Siler breaks them up. Rough clinch as they fight. Looks like an accidental head butt there! The bell sounds. The fighters get in each others faces! Corbett’s round.

    Frame five: Corbett back in the middle of the ring. Clinching is now rough. Corbett is sneaky in the clinch. Fitzsimmons uses his elbow on Corbett’s neck to break the clinch. This has turned into a rough fight! Jabs’s by Corbett. Wilds swings by Fitzsimmons!!!!!!... Corbett ducks then lands a throws a 1-2 missing the first but landing flush on the second. Very impressive. The Sun comes out again. Screen blurred a bit. Some more good shots by Corbett. Round ends. Corbett’s round.

    Frame six: We warp forward to some unknown round. The film is much better now. Different camera angle as well. A closer up view. Back to the action.

    Fitzsimmons is landing hard. Fitzsimmons is winging shots like Marciano on Corbett. When Fitzsimmons punches he gets leverage on his shots, and has
    very little recovery time in-between punches. A clinch. Fitzsimmons pushes Corbett several feet back. Freeze frame.

    Now the fighters are in the center of the ring…..Fitzsimmons feints high, then lands a hard hook in a downward motion to Corbett’s floating rib / liver area. Bam! Corbett goes down on one leg. He’s trying to keep himself up with his glove on the mat. Referee Siler starts the count. Corbett falls to the mat. Now he tries to move towards the ropes to get up. Corbett’s seems paralyzed from the shot but desperately tires to get up. Corbett is still very game unlike Oscar De LaHoya. Corbett is counted out! KO win for Fitzsimmons as he raises his hand in victory. IMO, this was not a lucky KO punch, it was cleverly set up by Fitzsimmons. I would pick Corbett in a re-match if its 15 rounds or less.

    Notes: I was impressed with both fighters for different reasons. Corbett looked very good on a grainy and slow film. IMO, he was moved around like Ali, could clinch almost as well as Jack Johnson, and was near impossible
    to hit from a distance. Power wise, Corbett surprised me a bit. He was accurate, could lands all types of punches, and counter. No doubt, Gentleman Jim could really fight. Even in defeat this film shows me he could decision lots of champions, making them look like uncoordinated geeks in the process. Corbett took some hard shots to the head, but Fitz was a deadly puncher with speed.

    As far as Fitzsimmons goes, his footwork was very average. However, he was mentally and physically tough. His hand speed was very good, and his power had great effect when he landed. Vs a longer stick and move type of fighter, I think Fitzsimmons has would struggle ( as he did here ), but when he closed the distance Fitz was deadly. Fitz would do much better vs the punchers or swarmers then fleet footed boxers.
    Last edited by Dr. Z; 12-18-2020, 09:15 AM.

    #2
    I enjoyed reading this. Thanks for your effort.

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      #3
      Yeah, there's really not much to say but thank you and good job. It seems a bit short though. I do very much appreciate this work. There, that's a few more words.

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        #4
        Fascinating Era ! You just have to love this LOL !: Pre Fight: The story goes….. The two met in a hotel. Fitzsimmons extends his hand. Corbett grabs Fitzsimmons nose and twists it! There is bad blood from the start between these two.

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          #5
          Good read.

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            #6
            - -Feud erupted in Phillybthat led to their first scheduled fight in 1895 Dallas that was killed by Texas legislators leading to Corbett hysteric retirement.

            Peter Maher fought Aussie Steve Odonnell for the vacated title blessed by Corbett. 1st rd KO prompts Fitz to challenge, and after a couple months of standing off the guns of the Texas Rangers and Mexican Army, they move to Judge Roy Bean jurisdiction in Langtry where the hold the fight in the middle of the Rio Grande(Bravo) on a spit island in no mans land.

            Another 1st rd KO by Fitz jumps Corbett out of retirement for their Carson City, Nevada unification fight.

            When Fitz is dropped to his knees to grab up Corbett, we can see JJ looking to Siler for assistance knowing that Fitz has a half dozen guns in his corner for enforcement to match Wyatt Earps half dozen in Corbett corner.

            Siler calls for a break to push Corbett away from the ropes, but Corbett quickly returns to loom over Fitz who feints a few rises before rising and the bell.

            Bat Masterson the Timekeeper, and ain't nobody wins an argument with Bat, probably about the KD.

            The KO blow variously described as solar plexis or Phantom but coulda been a liver shot.

            That this footage was disgracefully allowed to rot a stain on Hollywood and their dubious history.

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              #7
              Is this the fight?

              found this on utube

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                #8
                better view

                This guy does a real service to the fight film community...better version, remastered. Lol I know this is a snippet.

                Last edited by billeau2; 12-19-2020, 04:05 AM.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
                  found this on utube

                  NO JABS!

                  I don't know why I assumed Corbett would have had an effect jab. Maybe too much Gentleman Jim (with Errol Flynn) on the mind.

                  I wonder who were actually some of the early fighters who first recognized the value of, and deployed effective jabs?
                  Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 12-19-2020, 10:42 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
                    NO JABS!

                    I don't know why I assumed Corbett would have had an effect jab. Maybe too much Gentleman Jim (with Errol Flynn) on the mind.

                    I wonder who were actually some of the early fighters who first recognized the value of, and deployed effective jabs?
                    Johnson looks on tape like he used a jab, it was not generally used in Corbett's time. Instead the lead was used. The differences are quite profound. The lead should be thrown elbow in, with a slight rocking, transfer of weight, and the arm thrown out like an engine piston at the last minute.

                    The fist is kept vertical... and the way contact is made is such that the lead would be essentially useless with bigger gloves. It depends on structure and communitive locking of the body from the ground up to the point of contact, which ideally is the tip of the chin, hit straight so the head cannot move on the person hit, and so the brain cannot bounce around but the brain stem is directly attached.

                    The jab developed because with the sudden change in distance fighters needed a way to exploit reach and to stop a forward attack... the gap described did not protect anymore, one had to make space and distance and a jab did this.

                    The jab is pronated when thrown, the elbows are still tight but because one is often sideways the jab is allowed to extend.

                    One could argue that the lead changed into the jab out of necessity and because of gloves being larger. Unlike the lead, which depends principally on structure and explosive piston like movement, a jab is based on speed and snapping the hand out

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