The Top 20 All-Time Greatest P4P List

[Ivich]

Yes, and after that robbery against Tunney, he went on to fight Tommy Loughran just two weeks later.

Loughran was 21 years old.

[JAB5239]

Loughran was 21 years old.

True, but he had already fought Greb several times along with other very notable contenders of that era.

[GhostofDempsey]

Loughran was 21 years old.

McVea was 19 & 20 when he fought Johnson, Langford was just 20 years old. Yet you give Johnson full credit for beating them.

[Larry the boss]

1- Ray Robinson

2- Willie Pep

3- Archie Moore

4- Ezzard Charles

5- Floyd Mayweather

6- Roberto Duran

7- George Foreman

8- Barney Ross

9- Benny Leonard

10- Sam Langford

11- Mickey Walker

12- Henry Armstrong

13- Ike Williams

14- Roy Jones jr

15- Jack Dempsey

16- Tiger Flowers

17- Tony Canzoneri

18- Ray Leonard

19- Jake lamotta

20- Manny Pacquiao

[IronDanHamza]

1- Ray Robinson

2- Willie Pep

3- Archie Moore

4- Ezzard Charles

5- Floyd Mayweather

6- Roberto Duran

7- George Foreman

8- Barney Ross

9- Benny Leonard

10- Sam Langford

11- Mickey Walker

12- Henry Armstrong

13- Ike Williams

14- Roy Jones jr

15- Jack Dempsey

16- Tiger Flowers

17- Tony Canzoneri

18- Ray Leonard

19- Jake lamotta

20- Manny Pacquiao

Very intresting list there.

George Foreman at 7? What was the thought process behind that?

Jack Dempsey but no Muhammad Ali?

What made you have Willie Pep at #2?

[Silence]

1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2- Harry Greb
3- Henry Armstrong
4- Sam Langford
5- Ezzard Charles
6- Roberto Duran
7- Manny Pacquiao
8- Bob Fitzsimmons
9- Sugar Ray Leonard
10- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
11- Muhammad Ali
12- Canelo Alvarez
13- Roy Jones Jr.
14- Archie Moore
15- Willie Pep
16- Sandy Saddler
17- Benny Leonard
18- Joe Gans
19- Tommy Hearns
20- Joe Louis

Honorable Mentions: Kid Chocolate, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Alexis Argüello, Lennox Lewis, Eder Jofre.

[QueensburyRules]

Very intresting list there.

George Foreman at 7? What was the thought process behind that?

Jack Dempsey but no Muhammad Ali?

What made you have Willie Pep at #2?

- - Well, this is about everyone's list, and such was Larry's...sorted!

[mrbig1]

1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2- Harry Greb
3- Henry Armstrong
4- Sam Langford
5- Ezzard Charles
6- Roberto Duran
7- Manny Pacquiao
8- Bob Fitzsimmons
9- Sugar Ray Leonard
10- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
11- Muhammad Ali
12- Canelo Alvarez
13- Roy Jones Jr.
14- Archie Moore
15- Willie Pep
16- Sandy Saddler
17- Benny Leonard
18- Joe Gans
19- Tommy Hearns
20- Joe Louis

Honorable Mentions: Kid Chocolate, Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Alexis Argüello, Lennox Lewis, Eder Jofre.

I like your list. Monzon was undefeated in his last 81 fights over 13 years. 14 title fights and retired as Champion. He fought in my era and took on the best again and again. He would be on my list. I like the fact you have Charles and Fitzimmons. I would not have Roy Jones on this list. I would have Armstrong at 3 as well. Good list.

[Silence]

I like your list. Monzon was undefeated in his last 81 fights over 13 years. 14 title fights and retired as Champion. He fought in my era and took on the best again and again. He would be on my list. I like the fact you have Charles and Fitzimmons. I would not have Roy Jones on this list. I would have Armstrong at 3 as well. Good list.

For me, shortest way to become great is beating bigger fighters. Even shorter way is beating skilled bigger fighters. Monzon cleaned his own division but he didn't prove himself in other divisions. He is still solid top 25 ATG.

My criterias:
- Moving up and beating bigger fighters.
- Overall achivement. (Titles, title defenses and records.)
- Resume. (ATGs/HoFs, boogeymans, tough gatekeepers and champions.)
- Effect and inspiration. (Fighters who use his style, ability to change the sport.)

I don't rate H2H/skill because that would have been injustice against older fighters. Langford would be like caveman. Fighters should be rated for their own time.

[JAB5239]

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Pep
8. Fitzsimmons
9. Pacquiao
10. R. Leonard
11. Ross
12. Mayweather
13. Conn
14. Arguello
15. Moore
16. B. Leonard
17. Hopkins
18. Jones
19. Hearns
20. Whitaker