Wladimir or Lennox - Who ranks highest

[joe strong]

Actually Wlad hits harder and all around is better technically even Manny Steward had stated Klitchko hits harder and is more talented hes just inconsistent and Lewis was more ring savvy and could adapt better he thought Lewis was his best fighter ever though before passing i saw he made a small quote in a british paper "Wlad is better than Lewis ",you can make an argument for either.Steward also said only two HW's ever had the one punch k.o to put someones lights out instantly in any round with just one punch out of nowhere that was Tyson and Wlad .Personally i think Wlad hits harder then anyone in HW history ,Freddy roach who worked with both briefly felt punch for punch Wlad hit harder.I would side with Lewis but if Wlad surpasses the 25 title defenses its going to be hard not to give it to him.

ray mercer wouldn't agree with you. he said lennox hit much harder & he fought both. Wlad is great but you look at lennox's resume. He beat everybody almost. He didn't fight guys like wach, leapai, pianeta, mormeck. he would have vacated his belt instead of paying fees to fight a guy like leapai. Lewis made voluntary defences vs Rahman, golota, Tyson, vitali, botha, briggs, holyfield (unification), Bruno, tony tucker. Wlad hasn't even come close to fighting the level of competition lennox did. Lennox made tougher defences on voluntaries then wlad did mandatory.

[LacedUp]

Not really he stated Wlad.K was the better fighter before he passed this always bothered Lewis .Who he would side with no one knows ,no one here can make that call,if i had to guess i would pick Wlad ,it seemed more like a father /son relationship as i know Lewis was extremely jealous .

Source?

He said Wlad was #8 and said Lewis top 2 of all times.

[juggernaut666]

Source?

He said Wlad was #8 and said Lewis top 2 of all times.

You like many are going on old quotes ,i dont believe he ever said either was top 2 of all time either .Of all time doesnt mean the best anyway im sure he was well aware of what either would do to any ATG.

[LacedUp]

You like many are going on old quotes ,i dont believe he ever said either was top 2 of all time either .Of all time doesnt mean the best anyway im sure he was well aware of what either would do to any ATG.

Give a source or stop your gibberish

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Lennox Lewis in my opinion is a top 10 heavyweight of all time, as for both Klitschko brothers are for me, between 10 and 20.

[Anthony342]

Lewis didnt have steward in the first fight and most likely over looked McCall,whos trainer at that time was Steward .In the rematch Steward was with Lewis and the out come was different,a fighter is only as good as his trainer if they are going to be there best both go hand in hand.

Yes true. My point was sonny is blinded by his hatred of Lewis and does not give an unbiased opinion of him, so I was agreeing with the other guy I quoted.

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ray mercer wouldn't agree with you. he said lennox hit much harder & he fought both. Wlad is great but you look at lennox's resume. He beat everybody almost. He didn't fight guys like wach, leapai, pianeta, mormeck. he would have vacated his belt instead of paying fees to fight a guy like leapai. Lewis made voluntary defences vs Rahman, golota, Tyson, vitali, botha, briggs, holyfield (unification), Bruno, tony tucker. Wlad hasn't even come close to fighting the level of competition lennox did. Lennox made tougher defences on voluntaries then wlad did mandatory.

This pretty much sums it up. Wlad's still writing his history though. Leapi's aside, if he can school this new era Wilder and Fury in particular then that will earn him some kudos in ATG Heavy rankings.

I know it's narrow minded of me to say this and skill trumps everything but these Super Heavyweights are monsters. I think Wlad would hold is own against most Heavies from the past. He's a physical specimen with SKILL.

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This pretty much somes it up. Wlad's still writing his history though. Leapi's aside, if he can school this new era Wilder and Fury in particular then that will earn him some kudos in ATG Heavy rankings.

I know it's narrow minded of me to say this and skill trumps everything but these Super Heavyweights are monsters. I think Wlad would hold is own against most Heavies from the past. He's a physical specimen with SKILL.

How many guys in the last 10 years do you think Wlad has fought who actually believed they would win?

I'd say Sam Peter and that's about it.

Problem with Wlad is, he's not a fighter. He doesn't have a fighters heart.

[$Bullsfam$]

Pretty much agree with BMK. If Wlad couldn't clinch like he does I think he'd have so many more KO losses. Lewis I'd the better fighter and fought the better opponents in my opinion. I'm start to come around to give Wlad some respect even though it's hard as every fight consist of 1-2 clinch, 1-2 clinch. It's not his fault Heavyweight has been awful. I mean it's starting to heat up with Wilder, Povetkin, Jennings and Fury as top contenders but even then those guys would probably struggle to be relevant in other eras.

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How many guys in the last 10 years do you think Wlad has fought who actually believed they would win?

I'd say Sam Peter and that's about it.

Problem with Wlad is, he's not a fighter. He doesn't have a fighters heart.

You can add Brewster just for the fact he avenged his loss. However I can't even argue with you because you're right. He's had some moments early in his career where you think mmmm and most of his recent (& past) opponents fight in survival mode.

How about his wins over Povetkin and Haye, how do you think they'll be seen years down the line?. They were credible opponents on paper and he dealt with them with ease and that takes skill. Hypothetically speaking if he goes on to beat Fury and Wilder now? two younger & what I'll call elite talents (not everyone agrees).