1B: Boxingscene's Mythbusters

[BattlingNelson]

This is a thread where boxings' old sayings are presented. I'd like to see if we can confirm these myths, call them plausible or bust them.

Here is a number of myths:

1: "They never come back"

2: "The first thing you lose is punchresistance"

3: "The last thing you lose is punching power"

4: "A good chin always beats a good punch"

5: "Sex before a fight dampens your aggression"

6: "You cannot improve your chin or you cannot build muscle on your chin"

7: "A good big fighter always beats a good little fighter"

8: "Styles make fights."

9: "He didn't deserve the victory because he didn't win the 'championship' rounds."

10: "You have to beat the champ convincingly to get the decision."



So please give your take and feel free to add examples.

PS: If you have any myths or old truths you'd like to have checked I'll add them in the OP but note that this is not about who won Hagler-Leonard or So and so ducked so and so.

[musiol]

This is a thread where boxings' old sayings are presented. I'd like to see if we can confirm these myths, call them plausible or bust them.

Here is a number of myths:

1: "They never come back"

2: "The first thing you lose is punchresistance"

3: "The last thing you lose is punching power"

4: "A good chin always beats a good punch"

5: "Sex before a fight dampens your aggression"

6: "You cannot improve your chin or you cannot build muscle on your chin"

7: "A good big fighter always beats a good little fighter"


So please give your take and feel free to add examples.

PS: If you have any myths or old truths you'd like to have checked I'll add them in the OP but note that this is not about who won Hagler-Leonard or So and so ducked so and so.

punch power goes when the speed in your punch goes roy jones is an example so is tyson to a degree he would of stopped danny williams if he had the speed behind it

ur chin can be helped with neck exercise weight gain and stronger legs but it wont give you a an amazing chin your born with what you got

a good big fighter doesnt always win styles make fights

a good chin doesnt beat a good punch lamotta v robingson

[Scott9945]

I'll add one:

"He didn't deserve the victory because he didn't win the 'championship' rounds.

That is like saying that in baseball a run in the 9th inning count more than a run in the 2nd inning. Whoever has the most points wins the fight.

[SCtrojansbaby]

5, 6 and 7 are not myths

[bojangles1987]

I'll add one:

"He didn't deserve the victory because he didn't win the 'championship' rounds.

That is like saying that in baseball a run in the 9th inning count more than a run in the 2nd inning. Whoever has the most points wins the fight.

I agree with this one. People act like winning the later rounds means more than winning any other round.

I also disagree that the first thing you lose is punch resistance. I never got that, for some fighters it might be true but more often when a fighter starts getting knocked out it's because they lost speed and reflexes long before.

[StarshipTrooper]

Myth #1: "Styles make fights": It's a myth because the better fighter usually wins regardless of styles.

Poet

[Scott9945]

7: "A good big fighter always beats a good little fighter"

Actually it is my opinion that if two men are equal in skills and talent, the bigger man will usually win. Of course when you have large talent disparities like in Jones-Ruiz, it's a whole different story.

[Steak]

Actually it is my opinion that if two men are equal in skills and talent, the bigger man will usually win. Of course when you have large talent disparities like in Jones-Ruiz, it's a whole different story.

no two fighters are ever the same in skills and talent. they both have certain qualities that set them apart from one another.

'being bigger' on its own isnt realy an advantage. when youre the bigger man, that usually means that you have some natural advantages in durability, strength and/or punching power. but if your (smaller)opponent outdoes you in all three catagories, then being bigger will actually be a disadvantage...ie get tired quicker, not as fast as the smaller man, less coordinated.

but, I will agree that certainly size can be a fight changer, and if somehow two fighters were identical, most of the time the larger guy would win unless its a contest of speed.

Myth #1: "Styles make fights": It's a myth because the better fighter usually wins regardless of styles.

like Arguello-Fernandez. yup!

or which is why there are odd circles in boxing such as Pacquiao demolishes Barrera, Barrera beats Morales, Morales beats Pacquiao.
or the good old Frazier-Ali-Foreman one.

I disagree. fights are made up of a bunch of small qualities contested together in the overall fight, not just a broad definition of 'this guy is better'. Even you like to use the saying 'a good chin always beats a good punch'. thats a style matchup right there.

[StarshipTrooper]

no two fighters are ever the same in skills and talent. they both have certain qualities that set them apart from one another.

'being bigger' on its own isnt realy an advantage. when youre the bigger man, that usually means that you have some natural advantages in durability, strength and/or punching power. but if your (smaller)opponent outdoes you in all three catagories, then being bigger will actually be a disadvantage...ie get tired quicker, not as fast as the smaller man, less coordinated.

but, I will agree that certainly size can be a fight changer, and if somehow two fighters were identical, most of the time the larger guy would win unless its a contest of speed.

like Arguello-Fernandez. yup!

or which is why there are odd circles in boxing such as Pacquiao demolishes Barrera, Barrera beats Morales, Morales beats Pacquiao.
or the good old Frazier-Ali-Foreman one.

I disagree. fights are made up of a bunch of small qualities contested together in the overall fight, not just a broad definition of 'this guy is better'. Even you like to use the saying 'a good chin always beats a good punch'. thats a style matchup right there.

Chin/punch is an inherant physical trait not a fighting style.

Also, Frazier lost two out of three to Ali so obviously the better fighter won that series. Morales also lost two out of three (by KO in fact) to Pacquiao so that doesn't exactly wash either.

Poet

[Steak]

Chin/punch is an inherant physical trait not a fighting style.

Also, Frazier lost two out of three to Ali so obviously the better fighter won that series. Morales also lost two out of three (by KO in fact) to Pacquiao so that doesn't exactly wash either.

Poet

a fighters style incorporates their physical tools. whenever I, or someone else, says 'style', theyre taking into account both physical and mental qualities of a fighter. theres just no better word for it than 'style'.

And Morales had gone downhill noticably before the secon Pacquiao fights. If they were all at their best, it would still go Barrera beats Morales, Pacquiao beats Barrera, Morales beats Pacquiao.