Page 302 in the book “unbeaten”

[QueensburyRules]

At no time were body shots allowed that is total BS,the fact that Marciano got carried away and began landing them does not mean they were ever intended to be in the script.they weren't.
There is no record of Ali giving Barbara Marciano any money ,if you dispute this provide a primary source that proves it!


BTW in the final of the computer tournament Marciano ko'd Dempsey in the 15th round.
As I have already told you, the Ali v Marciano computer fight was entirely separate.

- - U posting out of hog wallers begging for pearls…priceless…

[Bronson66]

- - U posting out of hog wallers begging for pearls…priceless…

I'm sorry. have I inadvertently given you the impression that I give a toss what you think about anything?

[them_apples]

I have the book on my computer desk in front of me. I repeat there is .
NO MENTION OF MARCIANO DROPPING ALI FOR 5 MINUTES AND NO MENTION OF ALI DEMANDINGTAPES BE DESTROYED
So you made that up!
Ali did not get stopped AT ANY TIME
One man in that ring was acting professionally and the other was being a ****.
Boxings 12 Greatest Rounds by. Ferdie Pacheco Page 84.
"Marciano was supposed to drive Ali into the ropes,whereupon Ali would punch Marciano with a stinging jab.
The trouble with this scene is Marciano was having all kinds of trouble pulling his punches so they would miss by inches ,as Ali was closing with his jab .
Again and again one of Marciano's whistling rights would crunch into Ali's ribs,and Ali would wince and look at referee Chris Dundee for help.
Chris would smile indulgently and wave the fighters on.
Finally Ali's good nature could not accept this,and he stopped boxing.

"Look Rock,this is supposed to be play acting,if you keep bombing my ribs,Im going to have to open up your nose with my real jab," he warned.

Rocky looked apologetic and even said he was,but nevertheless,kept landing shots.
It began to look like Marciano was goading Ali into a real fight...Murray Woroner saw his golden egg about to be destroyed,he hurriedly stepped in and stopped the action while we all took a long break."
THERE IS NO MENTION OF A 5 MINUTE KNOCK DOWN OF ALI BY MARCIANO IN PACHECO'S BOOK WHICH I ALSO HAVE HERE ON MY PC DESK. SO YOU MADE THAT UP TOO.



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I told you the 5 minute comment was from Pacheco. But sitting on your stool until you get paid 2000 dollars SURELY accounts for 5 minutes does it not? What point are you making?

and who said it was in Pachecos book? Ill find that quote for you today - I believe it was off ESPN

you are manipulating the post and trying to make it seem like I am not making a point.

the book says he DROPPED Ali and that ALI quit until he got paid more.

the tapes destroyed comment is on video in an interview and also in a written file. This one I don’t remember the written file but when I do find it I will post it.

stop being ignorant.

ive also never read ANYWHERE that the fight was stopped to save Marciano. Nor does any interview even remotely sound like this was the case. So if you want to talk about making stuff up…

[them_apples]

Nope! Neither man was supposed to land real shots to the body or head,at no time did Ali land with power on Marciano,nor did he try to. I have the computer fight and three books that go into detail about how it was acted including ,Stanton's and Pacheco's.Stop adding you own scenario to it, it's total BS!
NO 5 MINUTE KD'S .NO TAPES BURNED .NEITHER MAN STOPPED.
"Finally one hot afternoon,Marciano,never known for his pinpoint accuracy,let go a few howitzer shots,which caught Ali unaware
Since they were pulling their punches for the camera,and the resounding thumps could be heard all the way to the street.
Ali gasped and sank to one knee,while Rocky pulled off,chagrined and embarrassed by his lack of control,in the heat of simulated battle."
Bottom LIne Rocky took a liberty, throwing punches for real against an untrained and unprepared Ali,whose good nature prevented him from carving Marciano up like hamburger which many other champs would have done.Imagine Tyson,or Dempsey's reaction to a fighter taking such a liberty in such an unprofessional manner? They would have been all over Marciano like a rabid wolf on a stray sheep!

"In passing I might add my own personal observation,with both in their prime Ali would have destroyed Rocky. the Rock's considerable talents.
However his was a talent to absorb punishment while waiting to dispense his own brand of bad medicine to his opponent.
Ali would have been too fast,too smart,too big,and too much for Rocky's facial tissues ,which were inordinately frail for a fighter whose style was to catch every punch in the face."Pacheco

The Fight Doctor Ferdie Pacheco,page 81 chapter 5.


GROW UP!!!!!

I don’t believe that for a second. This is fanboyism to the max. No boxer would catch a beating and allow their “good nature” to take over. And then proceed to commend them in every interview after they call you clay. No boxer would ever do that. As soon as rock dropped him he tried to take his head off with a right cross.

even outside of this I just know no boxer would do this.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm sorry. have I inadvertently given you the impression that I give a toss what you think about anything?

- - I'm glad to have corrected U...to wit for the witless per wiki:

The same formulas as the radio fantasy fights were used and entered into the NCR 315, with filming commencing February 1969 in a studio. The two fighters sparred for between 70 and 75 rounds, exchanging mainly body blows with some head shots in-between, which were later edited together according to the findings of the computer. Braddock, Louis, Schmeling, Sharkey and Walcott also recorded commentary to be used in the film.

And they film 70 one-minute rounds in a variety of scenarios. And sometimes the two men would get carried away and forget that this was only make believe.

[Bronson66]

I told you the 5 minute comment was from Pacheco. But sitting on your stool until you get paid 2000 dollars SURELY accounts for 5 minutes does it not? What point are you making?

and who said it was in Pachecos book? Ill find that quote for you today - I believe it was off ESPN

you are manipulating the post and trying to make it seem like I am not making a point.

the book says he DROPPED Ali and that ALI quit until he got paid more.

the tapes destroyed comment is on video in an interview and also in a written file. This one I don�¢����t remember the written file but when I do find it I will post it.

stop being ignorant.

ive also never read ANYWHERE that the fight was stopped to save Marciano. Nor does any interview even remotely sound like this was the case. So if you want to talk about making stuff up�

And I've told you I have both Pacheco's books, and that is a not in either of them,its just something you arbitrarily invented.
I've seen what you believe,basically anything that jives with your hero worship ,why would I ever give a **** about your opinion?
I've never said or implied anything was stopped to save Marciano.

I have 3 interviews with people that were present for the filmed fight scenes.=NOTHING .NADA. ZILCH.

The point I am making is

YOU INVENT THINGS AND PASS THEM OFF AS FACTS.
Is that clear enough for you?

[Bronson66]

- - I'm glad to have corrected U...to wit for the witless per wiki:

The same formulas as the radio fantasy fights were used and entered into the NCR 315, with filming commencing February 1969 in a studio. The two fighters sparred for between 70 and 75 rounds, exchanging mainly body blows with some head shots in-between, which were later edited together according to the findings of the computer. Braddock, Louis, Schmeling, Sharkey and Walcott also recorded commentary to be used in the film.

And they film 70 one-minute rounds in a variety of scenarios. And sometimes the two men would get carried away and forget that this was only make believe.

I've no wish to get into a prolonged argument with a trolling fool.If the owners of this Forum see fit to allow you to post your gibberish here, who am I to object?

I just don't want to give you consideration and time your posts do not warrant.

[them_apples]

And I've told you I have both Pacheco's books, and that is a not in either of them,its just something you arbitrarily invented.
I've seen what you believe,basically anything that jives with your hero worship ,why would I ever give a **** about your opinion?
I've never said or implied anything was stopped to save Marciano.

I have 3 interviews with people that were present for the filmed fight scenes.=NOTHING .NADA. ZILCH.

The point I am making is

YOU INVENT THINGS AND PASS THEM OFF AS FACTS.
Is that clear enough for you?

Except for Ali himself, saying it with his own words.

[Kid Cauliflower]

A horse goes o-o-o-o-o-o-oh

[Bronson66]

Except for Ali himself, saying it with his own words.

No five minutes,no request for tape to be burned.Just made up BS. I'm glad you are back with us but do stop this!