Fuel to the fire. Johnson admits Langford did in fact for him!

[Dr. Z]

Just before his fight with Burns for
the world's title on Boxing Day, 1908,
I asked Johnson if the punch that put
him on the floor in his fight against
Langford hurt.

'No, Dook.' he said, 'I was caught off
my balance.'

>>> So Johnson is not saying he wasn't floored? Yep. I posted Langford's version of the knockdown before. I find it hard for a fighter to openly lie, and Johnson isn't doing that in on this occasion. I agree the Johnson won the fight. I also point out the he was 20 years old and he says in his 140's for this 1906 fight.

[travestyny]

Rightttt. It's been known for years that Langford never floored Johnson or it would have existed in one of the articles about the fight the day after it occurred. But keep trying.

LANGFORD LOSES IN GAME FIGHT
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Sam Langford was beaten badly by Jack Johnson at Chelsea last night, but earned the cheers of his admirers and many more besides by a superb exhibition of grit and courage that makes other local exhibitions of gameness in the ring fade almost into insignificance.

He was there all through the fifteen rounds, and saved a lot of money for his friends who had bet that he would last ten rounds, twelve rounds or stay the limit. But it is a question if he were wire, for the beating he took is enough to seriously impair his strength and health.

Most of the punishment was on the head, and so may not have the injurious effect that a severe drubbing on the body would have. Sam didn't have a chance on earth to win, for he was outweighed about thirty-five pounds, and Johnson was too clever, too fast, too heavy, too strong and too powerful in punching for him.

Sam went down three times. On the first occasion it looked as if he slipped or stumbled to his knees, as the accompanying punch was not heavy. He was knocked down with a powerful left hook in the middle of the sixth round and lay on his face. He was down just nine seconds, according to Timekeeper Murphy, a thoroughly honest man, and the referee, Maffit Flaherty, who says he was on his feet at the call of nine, and according to several watches in the hands of men around the ring.

Down Again.
Later on in the same round he was down again for nine seconds. On the first knockdown it looked as if he couldn't continue. But he arose within the specified ten seconds. The second time he went to the floor from a right hand smash on the jaw. He wasn't in such a bad way and arose all right. Johnson tried his best to give him his quietus, but was exhausted and weak from punching and couldn't land the knockout.

It was a one-sided fight. It was all Johnson all the way. Sam did well on his left stabs and showed at times an inclination to shoot the right over for Jack's jaw. But he was outclassed too much naturally to make it any kind of an even fight.

Johnson's showing was commented on by everybody who declared that his challenges to Jeffries were preposterous. He would have been an easy mark for the champion had he been taken on.

Johnson was esquired by Joe Walcott, Kid Murray, Jack McCloskey and Santy Ferguson and George Dixon gave advice from the corner. George Byers, Andy Watson and other friends were in Sam's corner.

One sided beating. You can find articles about it that were right after the fight right here.



Those three articles directly after the fight just happened to miss that Johnson was down and saved by the bell, right? Makes lots of sense, bro!


Meanwhile, your article, 31 years after the fight, has inconsistencies. I've already told you this. The claim is that he was down in round 2. Your article had Langford saying he was down in round 5. Then there is the article where Langford was admitting to bad mouthing Johnson but truth be told, said he was the greatest fighter and was never down. I guess he supposedly forgot that he floored him? Hmmmm.


By the way, have you come to terms with your boy Jeffries admitting that he could never have beat Johnson? I saw you on that other website stating it wasn't true.

[markusmod]

Rightttt. It's been known for years that Langford never floored Johnson or it would have existed in one of the articles about the fight the day after it occurred. But keep trying.




One sided beating. You can find articles about it that were right after the fight right here.



Those three articles directly after the fight just happened to miss that Johnson was down and saved by the bell, right? Makes lots of sense, bro!


Meanwhile, your article, 31 years after the fight, has inconsistencies. I've already told you this. The claim is that he was down in round 2. Your article had Langford saying he was down in round 5. Then there is the article where Langford was admitting to bad mouthing Johnson but truth be told, said he was the greatest fighter and was never down. I guess he supposedly forgot that he floored him? Hmmmm.


By the way, have you come to terms with your boy Jeffries admitting that he could never have beat Johnson? I saw you on that other website stating it wasn't true.

I recall reading that about Jeffries, regarding him stating that.

[QueensburyRules]

- -JJ needed a pardon by El Rumpo to make everything right.

[ShoulderRoll]

- -JJ needed a pardon by El Rumpo to make everything right.

He needed a pardon from Trump to finally be cleared of the bogus, racist Mann Act charges you mean.

[Willie Pep 229]

Technically (legally) speaking he was guilty. The White Slave Traffic Act was created to solve a problem that didn't exist. A belief that young White women were be abducted (shanghiaed) and sent on a "slow boat to China" to serve as sex ****** in brothels.

It was a political roost playing on ****** White people's xenophobia. Politically speaking you invent or exaggerate a problem and exploit a fear, then offer your BS solution, and then claim victory when the threat doesn't materialize. (A threat that never was going to materialize) Then you get reelected.

E.g. "A caravan of Mexican rapists" are on the way, but no worry we'll build a wall. And when the caravan never arrives, we conclude the wall worked and Trump saved us all. Get it? Exploiting ****** White people's fear.

So was the Mann Act; it saved us from the "yellow peril"

But it was so poorly written that any one who crossed a State line with an unmarried woman and then had sex with her BROKE THE LAW.

It didn't just say prostitution, but used words like debauchery and indecency as well (implying all out of wedlock sex was indecent) creating such an absurd over breath that the law was useless.

But that was OK because they never really intended to enforce it.

But if you had a political agenda, then you had a nice little weapon that could be abused.

My personal favorite was a jilted wife in California who used the law to get the federal authorities to chase down her husband in Nevada. (He had taken off with his mistress and left her hanging.) He was avoiding the wife's divorce lawyer by hiding in a different State. The authorities brought him back to the federal district court (which was in California) on the Mann charge. The judge looked at the situation and said this is nonsense and dimissed the charge.

But when the cheating husband stepped out of the court room (in California) the wife's lawyer was waiting and served tha basted with the divorce papers.

I don't believe the law was ever actually used to prosecute a Chinese, likely because they weren't Shanghaing White women.

What was bogus/racist in their use of the act with JJ was that hey were selectively enforcing the law for obvious racial reasons.

But technically speaking JJ was guilty, he crossed a State line with a "white woman" he was having sex with and didn't marry until he had already committed the infraction. It's why he had to flee because they had him, technically

See, it was even more bogus than you first thought.

[Dr. Z]

Rightttt. It's been known for years that Langford never floored Johnson or it would have existed in one of the articles about the fight the day after it occurred. But keep trying.




One sided beating. You can find articles about it that were right after the fight right here.



Those three articles directly after the fight just happened to miss that Johnson was down and saved by the bell, right? Makes lots of sense, bro!


Meanwhile, your article, 31 years after the fight, has inconsistencies. I've already told you this. The claim is that he was down in round 2. Your article had Langford saying he was down in round 5. Then there is the article where Langford was admitting to bad mouthing Johnson but truth be told, said he was the greatest fighter and was never down. I guess he supposedly forgot that he floored him? Hmmmm.


By the way, have you come to terms with your boy Jeffries admitting that he could never have beat Johnson? I saw you on that other website stating it wasn't true.

Just before his fight with Burns for
the world's title on Boxing Day, 1908,
I asked Johnson if the punch that put
him on the floor in his fight against
Langford hurt.

Jack Jonhson, 'No, Dook.' he said, 'I was caught off
my balance

ME. SO THERE WE HAVE IT, JOHNSON OWN WORDS! He was floored, he says the punch caught him off balance, an admission and a link. OUCH. Langford says he was hurt. Who's really right, we will never know.

Travestyny: Noooooooo! It can't be. Johnson is lying here! Hurry, let's all shoot down this quote from Johnson and hope Dr Z. doesn't spread such facts on other forums.

Me: Travstny, what a joke you are. Just for you, no I don't think Jeffries would have beaten Johnson old, out of the ring for 6 years with no warm up fights, and his old trainer in Johnson's corner

[travestyny]

Just before his fight with Burns for
the world's title on Boxing Day, 1908,
I asked Johnson if the punch that put
him on the floor in his fight against
Langford hurt.

Jack Jonhson, 'No, Dook.' he said, 'I was caught off
my balance

ME. SO THERE WE HAVE IT, JOHNSON OWN WORDS! He was floored, he says the punch caught him off balance, an admission and a link. OUCH. Langford says he was hurt. Who's really right, we will never know.

Travestyny: Noooooooo! It can't be. Johnson is lying here! Hurry, let's all shoot down this quote from Johnson and hope Dr Z. doesn't spread such facts on other forums.

Me: Travstny, what a joke you are. Just for you, no I don't think Jeffries would have beaten Johnson old, out of the ring for 6 years with no warm up fights, and his old trainer in Johnson's corner

Yea. And we also have Johnson's own words that he wasn't down. We also have Langford's own words that Johnson was never floored in a fight. We have Sam's manager saying that Johnson was never down and admitting he made it all up. We have Nat Fleischer's father in law saying that he witnessed the fight and Johnson was never down.

Most of all, we have all the sources that come from THE DAY AFTER THE FIGHT never mentioning Johnson being down for the count and saved by the bell . What we do have is Sam claiming Johnson was down in the 2nd....and sometimes saying he was down in the 5th, and sometimes saying he was down in the 6th, and sometimes it being a right uppercut, and sometimes it being a left jab.

What we need to have is common sense. I have it. I suppose you don't?

So hey, if you want to hang your hat on an article that appears 30 years after the fight and ignore all of the other information, so be it. Good luck with that.



And don't play dumb. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Jeffries said he couldn't beat Johnson IN HIS PRIME. If Johnson went down by a small Langford, imagine what a small Langford would have done to Jeffries. Jeffries would have been 6 feet under the ground.

[Willie Pep 229]

Anyone notice this line?

"Most of the punishment was on the head, and so may not have the injurious effect that a severe drubbing on the body would have."

LMFAO

Saving grace; thank God he took all those shots to the head, Sam should be just fine.

[travestyny]

Anyone notice this line?

"Most of the punishment was on the head, and so may not have the injurious effect that a severe drubbing on the body would have."

LMFAO

Saving grace; thank God he took all those shots to the head, Sam should be just fine.

Well you know...those Black fighters couldn't take it to the body. Or so it was believed :-|