Why is it Marciano still talked about like he is this all time great fighter when

[mathed]

Yeah, you people that say Marciano had no power, but won on heart alone are dillusional. I saw a TV program on ESPN all about Marciano and Walcott was on there saying that in his opinion Marciano was not a good boxer by professional standards and he thought that he could easily outbox him (he got ko'd in the first rd of their first fight, in the second fight he got ko'd in the 13th rd) and went on to say that Marciano hit harder than anyone he had ever seen in his entire professional career

Not to mention another bum he beat was Joe Luis (near the end of his career, however not remotely close to being considered a bum I think)

Charles was a bum too I suppose?

And why the reference to people having to be white to like him? Kinda wack son

[JAB5239]

he was not? Figthers like Foreman and Tyson are critized for fighting bums at the begging of their career yet not once have I seen Marciano put down the same way in any of the boxing forums I am apart of. The first major fight for Marciano was Carmine Vingo but who did Carmine fight to be considered a good fighter? Joe Modzele or was it George Washington?( He actually fought a guy named George Washington). Marciano fought bums like Rex Layne who padded his own record by fighting bums. Roland LaStarza who he lost too in their first fight was a nobody. Big Bill Wilson a nobody.

Towards the end of his career he stepped up in clas if you want to call it that and fought Joe Louis who was pushing 40, Jerzey Joe Walcott who was pushing 40 and Archie Moore who was pushing 40. Do you believe Tyson, Foreman, Frazier ect ect ect would get credit if their best wins came against guys pushing 40? Hell no not to mention Charles and Archie Moore both were natural middleweights who bulked up later in their careers because they couldnt get a shot at the middleweight championship.

There would be numerous fighters from middleweight to heavyweight who would have gone so called undefeated if they fought the the type opposition Marciano fought ( By so called undefeated I mean Marciano actually did lose 3 fights but got gift descisions) You can not name one 180 pound fighter Marciano fought who were in their physical primes and Marciano beat them. Even the 4 fighters he are known for fighting gave him a tought text and in the case of Charles beat him in their first fight. Moore dropped him with one punch and lasted till the 9th round even though in his physical he was knocked out much quicker. Walcott dropped Marciano with one punch and was leading up until he was stopped in the 13th, then you realize Walcott was knocked out 5 or 6 times before he faced Marciano and that he was knocked out much easier by those other fighters who stopped him.

So basically what did Marciano do? Fight setup fights controlled by the mafia? Fight guys who were naturally 20 pounds smaller than himself? Is that something to be proud of? Does that make you the greatest heavyweight of all time even though you have to be 205 pounds to be considered a heavyweight today. Let's face facts even as a 185 pound fighter Marciano is a joke. Even if you say he was good for his size that is just a lie, as I said he never faced any 185 pound fighters who were still in their 20s or early 30s and were considered world class. I mean guys with only a couple of loses at that point in time, not the 10 plus Ezzard Charles had when he first faced Marciano.


Guys like Charles who tured pro in 1940 at the age of 19 at 157 and fought at least 30 fights at middleweight before he decided to move up to light heavyweight and then fought from 1944 to 1949 as a light heavyweight before finally moving up to 180 which kind of proves he was a natural smaller man than Marciano. Archie Moore turned pro in 1938 and weighed in the 140s and basically stayed a middleweight until 1945 which is 10 years efore finally moving up to what today would be considered super middleweight before moving up to light heavyweight. So Marciano beating a washed up Moore must of ment he could knock out true heavyweights like Rid**** Bowe, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Oliver McCall ect ect ect?

Marciano was a nobody, live with it. There is nothing wrong with being white and liking Marciano because he was white like you are but to build him to this degree is simply amusing. Marciano had no skilll, no talent or ability. He fought in a era where the mob controlled boxing and he didnt have to fight world class people to be considered great.

How many screen names can you possibly come back with and what is the over/under on your next ban is the real question.

You are no smarter than the 3 legged dog down the street from me that keeps getting hit by the mail lady.
She's not gonna stop delivering the mail, and Marciano is going to be rated an all time great for a long time. You are both going to learn to live with these cold hard facts or continue gettig run over almost daily. My bet is the dog will be smart enough to realize his ******ity before you.

[BennyST]

Marciano had no skilll, no talent or ability.

He had power. That is an ability or talent. He also had heart which is also an ability. You don't learn heart.

Anyway, as to the rest, who cares. Anybody that stays undefeated across their entire pro career, even fighting the so called 'bums' as you put it deserves some credit, after all, how many fighters have been able to do it in the entire history of boxing? It's a great feat alone.

[StarshipTrooper]

How many screen names can you possibly come back with and what is the over/under on your next ban is the real question.

You are no smarter than the 3 legged dog down the street from me that keeps getting hit by the mail lady.
She's not gonna stop delivering the mail, and Marciano is going to be rated an all time great for a long time. You are both going to learn to live with these cold hard facts or continue gettig run over almost daily. My bet is the dog will be smart enough to realize his ******ity before you.

That's the best smack I've seen in a LOOOOOONG time! And oh so true!

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

He had power. That is an ability or talent. He also had heart which is also an ability. You don't learn heart.

Anyway, as to the rest, who cares. Anybody that stays undefeated across their entire pro career, even fighting the so called 'bums' as you put it deserves some credit, after all, how many fighters have been able to do it in the entire history of boxing? It's a great feat alone.

You know, I'm not a Marciano fan but I'm with you: Give the dude his due for what he accomplished. It's really sad when these pathetic pukes have to make **** up about him to try and discredit him. I have no problem if someone wants to criticise Marciano for having a weak resume or being slow and relatively easy to hit: Those are fair criticisms and I think I've made them myself. The problem is people like the thread starter aren't engaging in fair criticism they're performing a hatchet job and making **** up to do it.

Poet

[mickyward5656]

how on earth can you talk bad about The Rock??? you should be ashamed of yourself....

[Thunder Lips]

Marciano was an undersized cripple wannabe baseball player who didn't pick up boxing seriously until his late 20s yet he somehow managed to capture the World Title and retire undefeated while knocking out some of boxings more talented and brilliant Hall of Fame fighters. You don't have to consider him the greatest of all time but he at least deserves a pat on the back.

And there were several big sluggers and young contenders during Rocky's title run but Archie Moore took them all apart before he could face them. Moore was desperate for a shot at Marciano and went out of his way to beat as many top ten Heavies and Light Heavies as he could to eliminate his options. Jimmy Slade, Bob Baker, Valdes, Satterfield, Harold Johnson, and Clarence Henry. All Moore victims. Between Moore and Marciano during the early 50s, you have two divisions completely cleared out.

[NakiFan]

Marciano was good for the time, of course any modern top heavyweight would make mincemeat out of him though.

[StarshipTrooper]

Marciano was good for the time, of course any modern top heavyweight would make mincemeat out of him though.

You know, I'm more than a little sick of you using the phrase "in his time". You know YOUR time has nothing to brag about.

Poet

[NakiFan]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, little Marciano could easily take out someone like Vitali couldn't he, 6"7 Vs 5"10 170lbs vs 250lbs.

Man I am bigger than Marciano.

80lbs and nearly a foot advantage. Marciano wouldn't last two rounds.