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    #61
    Yea let's just ignore what virtually every credible expert in the field has to say about it because Dumpola says it's a hoax created by the Chinese.

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      #62
      Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
      Child, that doesn't mean that is the only source people go to for information. Just because a lot of *****ers are ensconced in the Fox News/conspiracy internet site bubble, doesn't mean everyone is.

      The point is climate change is very real, regardless of whatever rhetoric is used to push it in the public conscious. You have no problem when ***** lies and exaggerates about things to get what he wants so I see no reason why you are so outraged if another politician does it.

      I didn't ask about the wall, I asked about the shutdown. Did you flip like some other *****ers or NSB? Just curious.
      The shutdown is there because Dems refuse to fund the wall. ***** reopened it to get employees paid, do his SOTU address, and then he will shut it down again and get his wall. I'm all for the shutdown. All the Dems have to do is approve $5.7 billion for the border.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
        The shutdown is there because Dems refuse to fund the wall. ***** reopened it to get employees paid, do his SOTU address, and then he will shut it down again and get his wall. I'm all for the shutdown. All the Dems have to do is approve $5.7 billion for the border.
        That isn't why the shutdown happened Vlad. It happened because ***** foolishly tied signing a bill to that money despite Dems and **********s telling him he didn't have the votes.

        As for the money, ***** in Feb 2018 tweeted that border crossing are at a 45 year low. If you were a Dem, would you vote to give $5.7 billion for a wall knowing border crossings are at a 45 year low?

        Isn't that the kind of wasteful spending you have often criticized Dems for?

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          #64
          Originally posted by Derranged View Post
          Yea let's just ignore what virtually every credible expert in the field has to say about it because Dumpola says it's a hoax created by the Chinese.
          How do you define credible?

          Me, I dont give anyone much credability to anyone when they violate the Scientific Method by altering and deleting raw data, and then try to hide their actions until Freedom of Information Act lawsuits are pursued.

          Also, you lose credibility when you are funded by the government, and you parrot the very same line the politicians funding you say.

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            #65
            Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
            How do you define credible?

            Me, I dont give anyone much credability to anyone when they violate the Scientific Method by altering and deleting raw data, and then try to hide their actions until Freedom of Information Act lawsuits are pursued.

            Also, you lose credibility when you are funded by the government, and you parrot the very same line the politicians funding you say.
            Wasn't there just recent a major study that confirmed humans are responsible for climate change?

            I'm sure none of it is black and white but I don't think it's something to ignore is all I'm saying.

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              #66
              Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
              That isn't why the shutdown happened Vlad. It happened because ***** foolishly tied signing a bill to that money despite Dems and **********s telling him he didn't have the votes.

              As for the money, ***** in Feb 2018 tweeted that border crossing are at a 45 year low. If you were a Dem, would you vote to give $5.7 billion for a wall knowing border crossings are at a 45 year low?

              Isn't that the kind of wasteful spending you have often criticized Dems for?
              Nope the wall is not wasteful spending. It will be there for a long time and will help more efficiently spend resources such as patrol agents and drones across the border.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
                Nope the wall is not wasteful spending. It will be there for a long time and will help more efficiently spend resources such as patrol agents and drones across the border.
                If the current measures in place have reduced border crossings to a 45 year low, it would seem that money would be better spent on the measures we already have in place to continue the trend of border crossings dropping.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Derranged View Post
                  Wasn't there just recent a major study that confirmed humans are responsible for climate change?

                  I'm sure none of it is black and white but I don't think it's something to ignore is all I'm saying.
                  Its never ending
                  They just said sun spots are also responsible. With the poles shifting and the sun spots having a effect do we really know anything for sure?

                  The number of sunspots not only varies within an 11-year cycle, but also from cycle to cycle. Therefore, while the impact of this cycle is minimal in our day-to-day weather, it is significant in driving the long-term climate. So if the number of sunspots increases from cycle to cycle, the Earth may experience warming. And vice versa.
                  Pole shift has effect on weather

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Derranged View Post
                    Wasn't there just recent a major study that confirmed humans are responsible for climate change?
                    How would I know?

                    It wouldn't surprise if there was, but I'd wager the guys putting it out are getting a ton of government grants.

                    Originally posted by Derranged View Post
                    I'm sure none of it is black and white but I don't think it's something to ignore is all I'm saying.
                    Well when someone violates the Scientific Method, it is black and white.

                    They are engaged in junk science, period.

                    If the data proves your hypothesis, then theres no need to violate the SM.

                    Quite the opposite actually, because if the data backed you up, then the SM would prove you correct, as well as holding your findings up to scrutiny.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                      If the current measures in place have reduced border crossings to a 45 year low, it would seem that money would be better spent on the measures we already have in place to continue the trend of border crossings dropping.
                      But muh caravan doeeee

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