Atheist Assassin Bill Maher vs Worthless ******* Canadian Politican Chrystia Freeland

[creekrat77]

I love it when Maher does this kinda stuff. He's not exactly the most intelligent intellectual on politics around but he always stays true to his views. Maher is certainly ahead of his time. I think he overcompensates by branding himself "anti religion" so that he can be more polarizing and garner a larger diversified audience of those who are influenced by religion. He's a good voice for our time and will call a spade a spade. It's people like him that unfortunately have any kind of mainstream influence on religion. Thankfully he's standing up as one of the few to say to his ******* globalist pals that Christianity and Islam are no where comparable.

[Hitman Hodgson]

He was raised Catholic...didn't even know his mother was ***ish until his teens. Became an Atheist later on in life.



The thing is...the issue here...refugees who don't share western values...has nothing to do with Bill Maher...*******...Zionism...Israel...or the price of wheat in China. Why even bring it up? I'm so tired of hearing this brought up by ******s trying to deflect. ****** terrorism IS NOT a ***ish or Zionist act...and dismissing Maher's views as being Zionist is pathetic...even if he was a Zionist...which given the fact that he's a well know celebrated Atheist is ludicrous. Atheism and Zionism don't mesh. In any event...nothing that has happened in Paris or anywhere else in the World regarding ****** ********* atrocities have nothing to do with anything other than the ******s committing them.

Nobody's deflecting anything. The woman in that video is an idiot. That doesn't make Maher's Zionist views any more justifiable. He's against ***** firing rockets into Israel (90% of which are shot down by Israel), but he's not against Israel bombing the **** out of ****, and the West Bank resulting in the death of thousands of innocent people. That seems very hypocritical to me. Murder is murder no matter what method is used.

[jaded]

Zionism, and the west's continued funding of the state of Israel has nothing to do with this debate? It could be argued that it was in fact the Zionist agenda in the middle east which started 100 years ago is what sent this boulder rolling down the hill in the first place.

I have the opinion that Islam is indeed at odds with western values, and ******s will always struggle to integrate into our society, refugees shouldn't be accepted. However, I also think that invading another ****** country, and continuing this mindless crusade is equally detrimental to the possibility of world peace.

Nobody's deflecting anything. The woman in that video is an idiot. That doesn't make Maher's Zionist views any more justifiable. He's against ***** firing rockets into Israel (90% of which are shot down by Israel), but he's not against Israel bombing the **** out of ****, and the West Bank resulting in the death of thousands of innocent people. That seems very hypocritical to me. Murder is murder no matter what method is used.

Your response is exactly my point. Don't waste your words on me...I won't buy it.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

It wasnt my view. I was just saying that Maher has to repeatedly say he isnt attacking all ******s, but to many people, an attack on Islam is in a way an attack on ******s. I understand it isnt.

I struggle to get my head around the whole issue to be honest.
Obviously parts of the Koran are messed up to say the least, but what causes so many ******s to either adhere to those passages to the point where they want to kill millions of people, or overlook those passages and just live in peace?
It seems there are all kinds of issues going on.

Is it better to criticise the koran for those few passages or criticise the people that follow them? The koran isnt going to change. But it seems there will always be groups of Islamic fundamentalists. I just dont know how to tackle the problem. Its a big head **** to me.

I find it easy to understand to be honest. It's like a microcosm of society. Most people if you look at their lives, they aren't 100% dedicated to any one thing. Yet, there's a small percentage of people who are.

I believe that moderate religious people are what I like to call "buffet believers". Meaning they pick and choose what they want to follow about the certain religion. Take the religious right here in America for example. They are pro capitalism, pro guns, pro war, pro death penalty but if you actually read the message of Jesus in the New Testament, that's NOT what he stood for.

Jesus was a socialist hippie who was about non violence at all cost and thought the way to heaven was to give everything you had to those who need it. How many Christians really do that in today's world?

Same with Islam, if you read the nice parts (which by the way were abrogated by the later more violent parts) the Quran sounds nice. The problem is, there are some really nasty bits in there and the Quran itself says that the later the text, the more important and it replaces other texts that might contradict that. So in the words of Islam itself it's saying that and ******s who actually take that **** seriously are committing these horrific acts.

Basically if you actually follow these cults, they're ***ed up. Most people just don't bother.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

[creekrat77]

I find it easy to understand to be honest. It's like a microcosm of society. Most people if you look at their lives, they aren't 100% dedicated to any one thing. Yet, there's a small percentage of people who are.

I believe that moderate religious people are what I like to call "buffet believers". Meaning they pick and choose what they want to follow about the certain religion. Take the religious right here in America for example. They are pro capitalism, pro guns, pro war, pro death penalty but if you actually read the message of Jesus in the New Testament, that's NOT what he stood for.

Jesus was a socialist hippie who was about non violence at all cost and thought the way to heaven was to give everything you had to those who need it. How many Christians really do that in today's world?

Same with Islam, if you read the nice parts (which by the way were abrogated by the later more violent parts) the Quran sounds nice. The problem is, there are some really nasty bits in there and the Quran itself says that the later the text, the more important and it replaces other texts that might contradict that. So in the words of Islam itself it's saying that and ******s who actually take that **** seriously are committing these horrific acts.

Basically if you actually follow these cults, they're ***ed up. Most people just don't bother.

Christianity teaches submission to authority within society. Whether that is elders, governor, king, mother, employer what have you. Nobody or entity is above God but conforming and behaving within society is a core principle which is essentially the social contract theory.
It wouldn't make any sense for Christians to forfeit X amount of wealth to others they deam as less fortunate because tangible physical wealth is meaningless in the eyes of the lord. Good will and care for your fellow man is all that matters. But life is life. It is about working, providing and reproducing. If you just relinquish everything that you have for others then you aren't being fair to yourself. It's a balance. And yes just about everybody in America is guilty of not doing more for others in the form of charity and love. The inherent message is that nobody is perfect. Everyday is a new day in which you can forgive your sins. From their you endure of the struggle of serving the lord doing what he'd want you to do and acting in your own self interest.

Islam is a much much stricter way of life than Christianity. Which is probably why most largely ****** countries are theocratic. Seems like for the most part women lack basic human rights. I can understand the love and security that goes in line with their thinking believing that women should always be covered up and such things. Their isn't much female voice in Islamic society that carries clout over anything male influenced. It's truly a man's world in Islamic countries. I'm know scholar on Islam but violence seems to have a place within its texts. For instance those who follow the religion to a T and groups that branch off from it looking to serve Allah like they seem fit more or less end up being less than peaceful. I mean you look at the nation of Islam with that lunatic zealot Farrakhan spewing bigoted hatred and division.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Christianity teaches submission to authority within society. Whether that is elders, governor, king, mother, employer what have you. Nobody or entity is above God but conforming and behaving within society is a core principle which is essentially the social contract theory.
It wouldn't make any sense for Christians to forfeit X amount of wealth to others they deam as less fortunate because tangible physical wealth is meaningless in the eyes of the lord. Good will and care for your fellow man is all that matters. But life is life. It is about working, providing and reproducing. If you just relinquish everything that you have for others then you aren't being fair to yourself. It's a balance. And yes just about everybody in America is guilty of not doing more for others in the form of charity and love. The inherent message is that nobody is perfect. Everyday is a new day in which you can forgive your sins. From their you endure of the struggle of serving the lord doing what he'd want you to do and acting in your own self interest.

It seems you werent paying attention in Sunday school. Jesus spoke extensively about wealth, giving to those who need it more and how being rich was seen as bad. There is scripture after scripture of Jesus repeating that same message.

How the meek will inherit the earth. How the rich won't make into heaven. How not to hoard too much money or material things. I mean, read the sermon on the mount for gods sake....lol. I sugest you read your Bible, because if you don't do any of those things, you are not a REAL Christian and just another hypocrite, who btw Jesus spoke of as well. Saying "I will spew you out like luke warm water".

He really didn't like half ass efforts. Bottom line is, Jesus message was mostly of love, giving to those who need, sacrificing of yourself etc...The message of Mohamed was much different and that was my original point.

Islam is a much much stricter way of life than Christianity. Which is probably why most largely ****** countries are theocratic. Seems like for the most part women lack basic human rights. I can understand the love and security that goes in line with their thinking believing that women should always be covered up and such things. Their isn't much female voice in Islamic society that carries clout over anything male influenced. It's truly a man's world in Islamic countries. I'm know scholar on Islam but violence seems to have a place within its texts. For instance those who follow the religion to a T and groups that branch off from it looking to serve Allah like they seem fit more or less end up being less than peaceful. I mean you look at the nation of Islam with that lunatic zealot Farrakhan spewing bigoted hatred and division.

Not really, Islam and Christianity are both very strict IF you follow the teachings. The problem (like I already pointed out) is that most Christians don't follow the religion as strictly as ******s in the 21st century. That's not saying that they didn't at one point in time.

Why don't you Google Mount Athos and see the way Christian Monks live there. They are arguably the most pious people on planet earth, and live by the scripture 24/7. They spend almost every waking moment praying to god.

The issue is that the Church was taken out of power, and when that happened people freed themselves of those strict beliefs. So what you get now is the modern day Christian who only follows a small percentage of the teachings of Jesus and rationalizes their beliefs the way you are doing now.

[Hitman Hodgson]

All mainstream religions have been spread through violence, even Buddhism. The old testament is bloodiest of the lot.
Religion is a tool used by people in power, and people who wish to acquire it to keep the masses in check. The sooner it's eradicated the better off we'll all be, but that won't be done through war, and violence.

As for Jesus, he was obviously a socialist.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

All mainstream religions have been spread through violence, even Buddhism. The old testament is bloodiest of the lot.
Religion is a tool used by people in power, and people who wish to acquire it to keep the masses in check. The sooner it's eradicated the better off we'll all be, but that won't be done through war, and violence.

As for Jesus, he was obviously a socialist.

We need to be more nuanced in our discussion though. All religions are NOT the same. Just because Christianity was spread by violence, doesn't mean Jesus endorsed violence and we need to make that point.

Hindus commit violent acts, but show me where in the Vedas does it command them to do so?

All religions are NOT the same, we need to stop this progressive lie. Beliefs and theology do matter.

[Hitman Hodgson]

We need to be more nuanced in our discussion though. All religions are NOT the same. Just because Christianity was spread by violence, doesn't mean Jesus endorsed violence and we need to make that point.

Hindus commit violent acts, but show me where in the Vedas does it command them to do so?

All religions are NOT the same, we need to stop this progressive lie. Beliefs and theology do matter.

Do they matter when they're all fundamentally based on supernatural nonsense? Who really knows what any of these religious people preached at the genesis of their religions. Most of the events in the bible were written 2000 years ago, and were second hand accounts that weren't put to paper for at least 50 years after he died.