Ched Evans...the pressure builds. Is it fair?

[RightJab]

I thought he ****d her accidentally? Hence the clubs care free attitude towards all of this. He told the directors he did it by accident, i think they're giving him the BOD.... I think it's a little bit of an outrage he's getting a break it's cos he's a milky white **** (im mexican now so its fine)... such a footballing ****.

[Weebler I]

But my point still remains how are football administrators qualified to judge people's morality? Who gets to decide where the line is drawn?

If someone convicted of killing a man due to dangerous driving is allowed to continue to play after serving his time why shouldn't a rapist? Is **** worse than killing someone? Is an FA bureaucrat the man to make that call?

If he criminal justice system has deemed him rehabilitated he should be free to go on with his life. As a *** offender there are certain jobs that are barred to him, but I don't see why professional footballer should be one of them.

I don't think the role model arguement holds that much water. If young men get women drunk to take advantage of them ***ually they are not doing it to emulate Ched Evans.

It's not just for young men though. You want your son cheering a rapist/*****phile/murderer? it's just wrong.

To me a if footballer breaches a code of conduct in a serious enough way he should get struck off for life, just like a doctor or lawyer would.

[Funky_Monk]

It's not just for young men though. You want your son cheering a rapist/*****phile/murderer? it's just wrong.

To me a if footballer breaches a code of conduct in a serious enough way he should get struck off for life, just like a doctor or lawyer would.

I don't disagree with you but I don't feel you can put a Dr or Lawyer in the same category as a footballer. They aren't priffesionally qualified for a start.

I don't think footballers should get paid as much as they do or why anyone would spend the 100 in some cases 1000's of pounds to watch them but hey ho.

[squealpiggy]

It's not just for young men though. You want your son cheering a rapist/*****phile/murderer? it's just wrong.

To me a if footballer breaches a code of conduct in a serious enough way he should get struck off for life, just like a doctor or lawyer would.

How about an embezzler? A fraudster? A violent criminal who stopped short of murder? A thief?

Like I say on the one hand it's a chillingly il******* notion that certain crimes can never be rehabilitated and that your debt to society can never be repaid, on the other the football club is a commercial endeavour and if his presence hurts the bottom line then they can be justified in ditching him. I just don't know whether it's the right thing to do.

[Weebler I]

How about an embezzler? A fraudster? A violent criminal who stopped short of murder? A thief?

Like I say on the one hand it's a chillingly il******* notion that certain crimes can never be rehabilitated and that your debt to society can never be repaid, on the other the football club is a commercial endeavour and if his presence hurts the bottom line then they can be justified in ditching him. I just don't know whether it's the right thing to do.

It's not so much they can't be rehabilitated, it's merely they can't work in certain professions. One can't become a doctor, dentist or lawyer in the UK if they have a criminal record of notable significance but seemingly one can be a convicted rapist in a profession where millions of people look up to them and actually cheer for them on a weekly basis. That picture doesn't sit right imo.

Why should families wanting to go watch football be put in the position of having to cheer for a rapist, *****phile or murderer? Why should anyone?

I don't disagree with you but I don't feel you can put a Dr or Lawyer in the same category as a footballer. They aren't priffesionally qualified for a start.

I don't think footballers should get paid as much as they do or why anyone would spend the 100 in some cases 1000's of pounds to watch them but hey ho.

They're expected to be every bit the professional, they may not have had their noses in a book for years but they still had to put a lot of time in, often starting a lot younger. They have a code of conduct to abide by and it is, in its own way, a position of trust.

Moreover they're also public figures with responsibilities in that sphere so it's even more pronounced.

[Funky_Monk]

It's not so much they can't be rehabilitated, it's merely they can't work in certain professions. One can't become a doctor, dentist or lawyer in the UK if they have a criminal record of notable significance but seemingly one can be a convicted rapist in a profession where millions of people look up to them and actually cheer for them on a weekly basis. That picture doesn't sit right imo.

Why should families wanting to go watch football be put in the position of having to cheer for a rapist, *****phile or murderer? Why should anyone?



They're expected to be every bit the professional, they may not have had their noses in a book for years but they still had to put a lot of time in, often starting a lot younger. They have a code of conduct to abide by and it is, in its own way, a position of trust.

Moreover they're also public figures with responsibilities in that sphere so it's even more pronounced.

There are several issues here; firstly family or people don't have to go and cheer on a rapist etc they can choose not to go. That would very quickly stop them employing such people.
Secondly the bigger societal problem is why do we make role models out of people who kick a ball about!?! The notion we are even comparing Dr's and lawyers to footballs is incredible.

On a side note; Equally in defence of footballers and other high profile jobs it's disgraceful how the media constantly try to entrap them. It's hardly surprising some of them trip up occasionally. Likewise there is also a portion of society who know this and try to exploit individuals for their own gains

[Weebler I]

There are several issues here; firstly family or people don't have to go and cheer on a rapist etc they can choose not to go. That would very quickly stop them employing such people.

They really shouldn't be put the position to be forced to choose, they've done nothing wrong and now they're being asked to go to cheer for a rapist play for their local team.

Secondly the bigger societal problem is why do we make role models out of people who kick a ball about!?! The notion we are even comparing Dr's and lawyers to footballs is incredible.

Society actually doesn't make role models of sports stars, it's something that happens naturally. Children love sport, they want to be like their heroes. It doesn't work so well if said heroes are fresh out of prison for **** etc.

[Funky_Monk]

They really shouldn't be put the position to be forced to choose, they've done nothing wrong and now they're being asked to go to cheer for a rapist play for their local team.



Society actually doesn't make role models of sports stars, it's something that happens naturally. Children love sport, they want to be like their heroes. It doesn't work so well if said heroes are fresh out of prison for **** etc.

This is perhaps the crux of where we disagree, it's not their team. Even if it were of course they should have a choice. I believe in an individual's right to choice.
You have the right to choose on so many things but people forget this.

How does it happen naturally?? They are overly reported on, overly televised over paid by an unusual economic set of circumstances. This is very much a created status. Certainly not one that in my opinion is earned.

[Welsh Jon]

I have to say as much as I believe ex-cons should be allowed to continue on after they've served their time, if Ched Evans does return and the fans start a "Ched Evans, he ****s who he wants" chant, or anything similar, it will be a low point for football.

[Weebler I]

This is perhaps the crux of where we disagree, it's not their team. Even if it were of course they should have a choice. I believe in an individual's right to choice.
You have the right to choose on so many things but people forget this.

How does it happen naturally?? They are overly reported on, overly televised over paid by an unusual economic set of circumstances. This is very much a created status. Certainly not one that in my opinion is earned.

Footballers have been kids heroes back when they weren't so well paid in 70s and 80s, growing up you wanted to be like the guys you saw playing on TV. For me it was Gazza

I always resented Edmundo playing football after he killed a family in a car crash coming home from nightclub drunk, I don't think it should've been allowed. To me it wasn't someone who should be idolised.

I think they're having similar issues in the NFL right now. Woman and children beating, they even have ex-murderers I believe.

You guys all make good points on this and I can see both sides. Probably said enough on this.