Tommy Robinson of the EDL interview.

[Los Zetas]

Thank you Capt Obvious. If you read my post you will understand that I clearly said ******s aren't bad, Islam is.

When you have an ideology that teaches things in such vague ways like the Quran, Bible or any other "Holy Book". You will get people who interpret it differently and use it to forward whatever agenda they may have.

I'm not defending the EDL, but if here in the U.S, ******s wanted to hold their own courts outside of the one's we have under the Constitution, I would be very much against it and would fight to never see that happen.

Religion and religious ideologies should not have any place in the govt. It should not promote, or limit what people want to believe. If these ******s want to live in England, then they should assimilate to that countries laws and culture, the same way I have as a Mexican/American.

Of course racist groups should be condemned as well but it seems to me that ******s want to separate themselves from England's culture and have their own dominate their neighborhoods and areas.

I very much doubt that ******s as a majority want to change their area to ****** only laws etc...

That is just propaganda.

Orthodox ***s also have strong beliefs and actually suffer less discrimination it appears.

There are people who interpret many things wrong. The number of *********s here are probably in the hundreds IF that. What % is that of muslism? Not much at all.

Why should a whole religion be banned for what less than a few hundred do?

There are people who are crazy or want trouble in the World. Some people go out and do mass shootings. Some are part of gangs and kill on a daily basis.

The amount of people *********s have killed in the UK are far, far, far less than what gangs in the US do. These gangs are ****** right? So how are we going to deal with ******ness?

When you say Islam is bad, what do you want done? To ban it? There are people who are good because of Islam too...

[Los Zetas]

I am sceptical on these graffitti etc..

both sides have surely set it up.

I have read a bomb was outside a mosque and it may be edl or some kind, but it coulkd be Muslism.

The same for war memorials being graffiti'd, could be anyone.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

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I very much doubt that ******s as a majority want to change their area to ****** only laws etc...

That is just propaganda.

I never said that, I simply said that the fact there are Sharia courts is bad enough. They should not exist since England is NOT a ****** country.

Orthodox ***s also have strong beliefs and actually suffer less discrimination it appears.

***s don't have ***ish only courts and don't go around blowing themselves up or hacking people to death in the streets of England.

There are people who interpret many things wrong. The number of *********s here are probably in the hundreds IF that. What % is that of muslism? Not much at all.

Why should a whole religion be banned for what less than a few hundred do?

Bad interpretation is the reason religion is so ridiculous, and nobody wants to BAN Islam. They just want these ******s to assimilate with English culture, I don't think that's asking too much.

There are people who are crazy or want trouble in the World. Some people go out and do mass shootings. Some are part of gangs and kill on a daily basis.

The amount of people *********s have killed in the UK are far, far, far less than what gangs in the US do. These gangs are ****** right? So how are we going to deal with ******ness?

There is a difference between problems of poverty and lack of education, and an ideology that is preaching something that is harmful. Just because people kill over jealousy and ***, does that mean we need to excuse people killing int he name of a religion?

Two wrongs don't negate each other.

When you say Islam is bad, what do you want done? To ban it? There are people who are good because of Islam too...

There are many good things that people have used religion for, I don't dispute that. There's nothing though that a non religious person can't do, that a religious person can. So your point is moot.

I don't want religion banned, what I would want to see (like it happened in my own life) is that we pursue the truth, and build our societies based on moralities that we as people have agreed on. Not some 2000 year old religion that doesn't apply to our world anymore and wants to condone slavery, treats women like second hand citizens, wages Jihad, hates *******uals and other out of date thinking.

[Tom Cruise]

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OK, step by step here. This is my point, there should be no other courts outside of the ones already established. The fact that religious belief gets you some other court that you can preside under is absurd. If you want equality, then isn't equality under the law a great place to start, regardless of your religious belief?

Its not a court in the legal sense though. Its a religious council for ******s. It has no bearing on law in any way, which is where the confusion comes. ******s in this country dont operate under different laws than any other race/group.

You do realize you are talking to a Mexican/American. I understand and sympathize with the immigration issue because here in the States it's a huge one for us as well. At the same time, I also tell my own people that we need to be respectful of this country, it's laws, culture and at least learn the language so we can be seen as Americans.

Many ******s here say the same as what you tell your fellow Mexican Americans.

I hate to say this to you because I don't know if you are a ****** or not, but Islam and democracy are diametrically opposed.

Im not ****** man. In fact I probably have more reasons in my family history to hate the ****** faith than anybody else on this forum. After all my grandad was an Assyrian Christian living in Turkey during the First World War...

******s do NOT want what democracy has to offer, outside of a good paying job. They want to live in England, work, make English money but they want to keep all of their cultures, ideology and hold Englands laws and culture secondary to their own. That is not wanting to assimilate.

This is the same with many if not most immigrant cultures though. It takes generations for proper integration to occur. Especially when there are clear indicators such as skin colour involved. As i said this changes as the older generations pass. Perhaps it will take longer with ****** immigration bearing in mind how far apart our cultures are, but i dont think that ostracizing them by attacking their faith will speed up the process.

I agree but because Islam has such a strong hold on the people, and essentially brainwashed them, do you think that's even possible?

Islam has as much of a stronghold on its followers as any religion does in less socially developed nations. Even basic stuff like learning about science at school will help to ease the hold Islam has. Maybe it will take more than one generation, but it will happen naturally, it always does.

Here in the States I can tell you that people tend to assimilate very fast to American culture, for some reason it's always been this way. I think it has a lot to do with the patriotism Americans seem to have, openly and unashamed.

Obviously i dont live there so my opinion isnt as valid as yours but as far as i can see there are lots of immigrant cultures which keep themselves to themselves in America.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

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Its not a court in the legal sense though. Its a religious council for ******s. It has no bearing on law in any way, which is where the confusion comes. ******s in this country dont operate under different laws than any other race/group.

So what is their purpose?

This is the same with many if not most immigrant cultures though. It takes generations for proper integration to occur. Especially when there are clear indicators such as skin colour involved. As i said this changes as the older generations pass. Perhaps it will take longer with ****** immigration bearing in mind how far apart our cultures are, but i dont think that ostracizing them by attacking their faith will speed up the process.

I agree, I don't condone violence or even prejudge them in any way.

Islam has as much of a stronghold on its followers as any religion does in less socially developed nations. Even basic stuff like learning about science at school will help to ease the hold Islam has. Maybe it will take more than one generation, but it will happen naturally, it always does.

I disagree here. Not to go on some historical tangent here but Islam is where Christianity and ******* was about 500 years ago. Islam has yet to go through that "maturing" phase. It's the very reason you rarely see the atrocities you see in ******s countries in Christian countries or in the name of Christianity. There was an entire movie made depicting Jesus as sleeping with Mary Magdalene and not one act of violence came of it. Yet, you draw a picture of Mohamed and people are murdered in numbers over it.

Obviously i dont live there so my opinion isnt as valid as yours but as far as i can see there are lots of immigrant cultures which keep themselves to themselves in America.

Very few and that's honest. For some strange reason, assimilation hapens very quickly here in the U.S. I don't know if it's because of the strong American culture and influence but after about 1 generation, kids act very Americanized.

There's even an issue with parent not liking that their kids act too American and there's been issues with ****** parents killing their daughters for example over it.

I know even in my own family, the generation after me don't even know how to speak Spanish and we tease them about it.

[hayZ]

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So what is their purpose?




I agree, I don't condone violence or even prejudge them in any way.




I disagree here. Not to go on some historical tangent here but Islam is where Christianity and ******* was about 500 years ago. Islam has yet to go through that "maturing" phase. It's the very reason you rarely see the atrocities you see in ******s countries in Christian countries or in the name of Christianity. There was an entire movie made depicting Jesus as sleeping with Mary Magdalene and not one act of violence came of it. Yet, you draw a picture of Mohamed and people are murdered in numbers over it.



Very few and that's honest. For some strange reason, assimilation hapens very quickly here in the U.S. I don't know if it's because of the strong American culture and influence but after about 1 generation, kids act very Americanized.

There's even an issue with parent not liking that their kids act too American and there's been issues with ****** parents killing their daughters for example over it.

I know even in my own family, the generation after me don't even know how to speak Spanish and we tease them about it.

I'm not going to go through all of the posts and refute everything or anything because im faaaaar too tired but there are ***ish courts in the UK, Beth Din ()

[The Noose]

If the leader of the EDL wasnt white, there wouldnt be an EDL. That about sums it up for me.

[rorymac]

Living in the UK I can tell you that the EDL are an absolute joke, 95% of its supporters just using party protests as an extension of football hooliganism. They use their more articulate, presentable members as figureheads who deliver to the public a very watered-down version of their extreme views.

[rich6666]

I very much doubt that ******s as a majority want to change their area to ****** only laws etc...

That is just propaganda.



This is very much untrue. Please watch the dispatches documentary on this issue.



Only place i could find the video.

[rorymac]

This is the real EDL