Question about the Middle East

[Alpha Male]

You originally said

You said "********* Act" not "terrorism", according to the definition, - a "********* Act" Includes school shootings and ******** clinic bombings.

As for "Terrorism" My dictionary saysTerror -ism = Mass-organized ruthlessness.. That would still include "******** clinic bombings" and in many cases "school shootings"
If you don't agree you are entitled to your opinion. However I would still like to see the definition of terrorism from your source?

The key word in your definition is Mass-Organized. School shootings and ******** clinic bombings are not mass organized. They are usually perpetrated by 1 or 2 individuals.

[PBDS]

Maybe the Bush administration believed the intelligence reports and there wasn't any lies. WMD was just ONE reason to go to war.

....Every intelligence agency in the world believed they had weapons and I still believe they had them. Syria has quite a stash of those weapons right now I suspect. There is quote after quote of all of the ********ic leaders of this country saying that Saddam indeed had weapons as well. You can find quotes form both Clintons, Gore, Kerry, and Kennedy's drunken ass that all state that Iraq indeed had weapons of mass destruction. Now, I really don't give a **** ass is they had em or not. A brutal dictator is gone, a threat is gone, and the world will be a safer place for it.

[Torino]

The key word in your definition is Mass-Organized. School shootings and ******** clinic bombings are not mass organized. They are usually perpetrated by 1 or 2 individuals.

As I said school shootings can be - and sometimes are mass oganized as W/Columbine not 1 or 2. And ******** clinic bombings are also often Mass Organized.

Again, you originally said "*********
Act" not Terrorism.

And again, what's the definition of "Terrorism" from your source?

You don't have to agree W/me. That's OK.

[Torino]

....Every intelligence agency in the world believed they had weapons and I still believe they had them. Syria has quite a stash of those weapons right now I suspect. There is quote after quote of all of the ********ic leaders of this country saying that Saddam indeed had weapons as well. You can find quotes form both Clintons, Gore, Kerry, and Kennedy's drunken ass that all state that Iraq indeed had weapons of mass destruction. Now, I really don't give a **** ass is they had em or not. A brutal dictator is gone, a threat is gone, and the world will be a safer place for it.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I wish I could give you some more Karma

[NiGe2011]

...Wizard, I have a question for both you and Nige. If what we did in Iraq turns out to be the turning point towards freedom in the middle east and say 5 years from now it has brought about the spread of Democracy, then what will be your take on our move? If our actions lead to a domino effect for freedom and democracy and lessens the threat of terror worldwide then I say that nobody could cry about it years from now. That whole region of the world has been ****ed up for years because they have been ruled by dictators and royal families with an iron fist. When Regan took his hard line stance against the Soviets during the cold war all the ******** cried their asses off and bitched and moaned. He had to listen to ***** assed Europeans(who we saved twice by the way) ***** and complain about his actions. Thank god he didn't listen and went his own way and made the hard decisions. It directly lead to the fall of Communism and Berlin wall being demolished. When it's all said and done I believe history will look back on what Bush did very favorably. I could be wrong, but what if I'm right??

I am not really talking about the war in Iraq, just the state of terrorism in the world. Here is my take on the Iraq war, I am not positive that the ********ization efforts will work, but at least that is something I can sympathize with. I actually wrote an entire essay on the prospects of ********ization in Iraq, if anybody would like to read it I would be more then happy to forward it. I don't like the fact that the government lied to get us there, but I have gotten over that to an extent and am hoping for the best. If this had been past administrations (namely Clinton) then he would have been absolutely fried for lying to get us into a war. But because we know live in a country that is all things ********** Bush gets a free pass. But really I guess that is not what is important, if this war starts a brushfire of democracy in the Middle East it will protect us years down the road, and there can be no disagreement about that. I really hope, now that we are there, this is what occurs. And I really don't know how things in Iraq are going to turn out, I don't think that anybody does. But as I said, I hope for the best. Ok, that's my take on Iraq in a nutshell.

[Alpha Male]

As I said school shootings can be - and sometimes are mass oganized as W/Columbine not 1 or 2. And ******** clinic bombings are also often Mass Organized.

Again, you originally said "*********
Act" not Terrorism.

And again, what's the definition of "Terrorism" from your source?

You don't have to agree W/me. That's OK.

Columbine was not mass organized. It was carried out by 2 people. Mass organized means a large group of organized individuals. Anyway, my definition of terrorism is the systematic use of terror as a means of gaining a political end.

[Torino]

Columbine was not mass organized. It was carried out by 2 people. Mass organized means a large group of organized individuals. Anyway, my definition of terrorism is the systematic use of terror as a means of gaining a political end.

Good enough for me, I've seem discrepancies in Webster's before. I have my opinion and you have yours. I'm not going to argue about Columbine.

[NiGe2011]

Secondly (and COMPLETELY UNRELATED) the idea that Reagan ended the cold war is just dated and fallacious. Anybody who says otherwise is sorely mistaken. What ended the cold war and caused the collapse of the Soviet Union was a turn away from socialism towards capitalism and a free market by Gorbachev. What Reagan's tax cut's and increase in defense spending created was a wealthy upper-class and a huge national deficit. The idea that Reagan somehow managed to break the will of the Soviet Union by 'out-spending' them is just wrong. The Soviet Union had been decreasing defense spending slowly since Khrushchev died. They were when Reagan came into power and they continued decreasing defense spending when Reagan increased ours. The billions of dollars that were pumped into the 'star wars' program were a waste and the program never was close to working as the Soviet Union knew. The turn away from socialism was a result of the system being able to provide the people with luxuries that were granted to most others in 'the first world' and a proletariat that finally became fed up with the oppression that had been placed on them in the Stalin and post-Stalin years.

[PBDS]

Secondly (and COMPLETELY UNRELATED) the idea that Reagan ended the cold war is just dated and fallacious. Anybody who says otherwise is sorely mistaken. What ended the cold war and caused the collapse of the Soviet Union was a turn away from socialism towards capitalism and a free market by Gorbachev. What Reagan's tax cut's and increase in defense spending created was a wealthy upper-class and a huge national deficit. The idea that Reagan somehow managed to break the will of the Soviet Union by 'out-spending' them is just wrong. The Soviet Union had been decreasing defense spending slowly since Khrushchev died. They were when Reagan came into power and they continued decreasing defense spending when Reagan increased ours. The billions of dollars that were pumped into the 'star wars' program were a waste and the program never was close to working as the Soviet Union knew. The turn away from socialism was a result of the system being able to provide the people with luxuries that were granted to most others in 'the first world' and a proletariat that finally became fed up with the oppression that had been placed on them in the Stalin and post-Stalin years.

...Wrong!!!! Most historians give credit to that admin and rightfully so. Star Wars may not have come off like they planned but the technology that we discovered in the process has proved invaluable. Our precision laser bombing and our advanced satelite capabilites can be attributed in part to that whole program. Besides, who says it was a failure? Can you say for sure that the US does not have a defense shield plan in place? If we did we probably wouldn't let anyone else know about it. Soviet leaders of that time acknowledge a fear of Regan and they admitted that he put them in a no win situation. If you wanna re-write history to please the ******* left and take credit away from the US once again then feel free. I suppose we didn't lend more than a little help during those two world wars either. Let's here your spin on that as well.

[NiGe2011]

...Wrong!!!! Most historians give credit to that admin and rightfully so. Star Wars may not have come off like they planned but the technology that we discovered in the process has proved invaluable. Our precision laser bombing and our advanced satelite capabilites can be attributed in part to that whole program. Besides, who says it was a failure? Can you say for sure that the US does not have a defense shield plan in place? If we did we probably wouldn't let anyone else know about it. Soviet leaders of that time acknowledge a fear of Regan and they admitted that he put them in a no win situation. If you wanna re-write history to please the ******* left and take credit away from the US once again then feel free. I suppose we didn't lend more than a little help during those two world wars either. Let's here your spin on that as well.

Hahaha, man I am not even going to get into it over this-- it's not even what the thread is about and I was asking for trouble when I got off topic. You have your interpretation and I have mine, and regardless of which is the correct one it is not going to affect society today. So I am fine with each of us having our own views.