One friend I grew up with. Super manipulative. Never accepted responsibility. Always wanted something his way. Would argue over the littlest things.
We were kids then, so I didn’t really think anything of it.
We lost touch a few years back and he texted me and said he wanted to hang out more and he wasn’t lying. There was really no hidden agenda. Just hung out with his group in the summer of 2020. Played video games like everyday at the start of Covid. It really was pretty fun. I guess he got better.
He did help me move to my condo. He did that cuz I helped him move a bunch of times, so maybe he felt that he owed me one.
One friend I grew up with. Super manipulative. Never accepted responsibility. Always wanted something his way. Would argue over the littlest things.
We were kids then, so I didn’t really think anything of it.
We lost touch a few years back and he texted me and said he wanted to hang out more and he wasn’t lying. There was really no hidden agenda. Just hung out with his group in the summer of 2020. Played video games like everyday at the start of Covid. It really was pretty fun. I guess he got better
He did help me move to my condo. He did that cuz I helped him move a bunch of times, so maybe he felt that he owed me one.
Kids naturally have many of the traits we associate with narcissism man. As a infant we can't conceptualize a world outside our own subjective experience..... The understanding that other people also have their own subjective world and valid wants or needs is something that we need to learn or be taught - part of the process of socialisation and growing up. Course not everyone gets there.
And I'm absolutely with Kris Silver on this one. Nothing fundamentally different about so called narcissists, more a matter of degree. Way I understand humans there's no straight forward cut-off when it comes to personality traits and personality disorders.. . even many of the traits we associate with mental illness or mood disorders like depression or anxiety are simply exaggerated or poorly regulated combinations of traits that exist within all of us. Same goes with narcissism.. To some degree those traits are present in everyone.
If I visualise it at all I tend to imagine human personalities something like a big old analogue mixing desk - like with dozens of sliders and dials corresponding to different traits like confidence, extroversion, inquisitiveness, stubborness / persistence and so on... Sometimes just move a few of those sliders up or down in a particular combination and you get what we might describe as a narcissist, set em slightly different and you get an adrenalin junkie or a neurotic or someone on the psychopathy spectrum.
Anyways I'm rambling, all I'm really saying is we all got all these aspects within us, but we're all also changing all the time, settings moving up and down, but especially during childhood and adolescence when our baseline settings - our own narrative about who we are and how we fit in to the world - are being laid down.
Anyways gotta go.. Waiting for my sons dance show to start in a Hall full of chattering parents and Ms K giving me a look like I should probably be making some effort to socialise with the dance moms.
So I guess there are 2 types or narcs: Covert and Grandiose. Im truly convinced my chicks mom is a Covert narcissist. Dealing with her over the years has been draining.
Anyways, if you know/knew any, how did/do you deal with them?
Yes, this current Filipina that i am fooling with. She lies and manipulates like nothing i have ever seen. She basically cheated on all her boyfriends. I am keeping her around because she pays for everything, and even flies me out on vacations. I had planned to cut her off, but she offered to pay my car insurance. The thing with her is that I can think of the freakiest thing to do to her and she will let me do it. She agreed to a threesome (I didn’t follow through) because she thought I would never talk to her again. She said to give her six months to show me that she can change from her manipulate and lying ways and seconds later tell a big lie again, then basically try to gaslight me by saying I am hearing what i want to hear and twisting her words when i done quoted the bich...lol. Said the most covert narcissistic thing i have ever heard...that her happiness revolves around me. Not going to lie, it is true that these female narcissists give the best s3x. She is begging me for a kid and said that she will pack her things and go back to her country if i give her a kid and never bother me again. She really thinks I am ******...lol.
Kids naturally have many of the traits we associate with narcissism man. As a infant we can't conceptualize a world outside our own subjective experience..... The understanding that other people also have their own subjective world and valid wants or needs is something that we need to learn or be taught - part of the process of socialisation and growing up. Course not everyone gets there.
And I'm absolutely with Kris Silver on this one. Nothing fundamentally different about so called narcissists, more a matter of degree. Way I understand humans there's no straight forward cut-off when it comes to personality traits and personality disorders.. . even many of the traits we associate with mental illness or mood disorders like depression or anxiety are simply exaggerated or poorly regulated combinations of traits that exist within all of us. Same goes with narcissism.. To some degree those traits are present in everyone.
If I visualise it at all I tend to imagine human personalities something like a big mixing desk - like with dozens of sliders corresponding to different traits like confidence, extroversion, inquisitiveness, stubborness / persistence and so on... Sometimes just move a few of those sliders up or down in a particular combination and you get what we might describe as a narcissist, set em slightly different and you get an adrenalin junkie or a neurotic or someone on the psychopathy spectrum.
Anyways I'm rambling, all I'm really saying is we all got all these aspects within us, but we're all also changing all the time, settings moving up and down, but especially during childhood and adolescence when our baseline settings - our own narrative about who we are and how we fit in to the world - are being laid down.
Anyways gotta go.. Waiting for my sons dance show to start in a Hall full of chattering parents and Ms K giving me a look like I should probably be making some effort to socialise with the dance moms.
I've read up and watched a huge amount of videos on these topics and it has become too much of a 'sector'. I wouldn't mind if they conveyed as we have, that these are labels and like you say, there's a range dial wise of all sorts of things in most of us. Tick over a 7 and you're worthy of a 'label' but it's often thrown around too *******ly. We do seem to be in an increasingly labelling society, albeit narcissistic traits probably on the up the more capitalistic, material and insta selfie we become.
If someone's gotten close to a narc I would say, there's junctions where the lack of empathy for others, sheer degree for how self serving, save own skin and PR above EVERYTHING else is very jarring. That's when it becomes obvious a person has developed quite a level of narcissism, often from how they've been treated/been allowed to behave - growing up.
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