Any Kevin Samuels fans in the lounge lol...He passed a few days ago now

[1bad65]

But again, we have to be careful here!!! For example, we need to know WHY the divorce takes place...

My statistics include "no fault" divorces. That's the big problem, you have millions of men out there doing the right things; being a good dad, working hard, and through NO FAULT of his, his wife chooses to leave, and there's a 90% chance he loses over half his net worth, loses access to his kids, and has to pay child support and possibly alimony out of his future earnings.

The honest, brutal truth is that only the ****** men, or the men ignorant of these numbers, are marrying these days. And the stats prove it.

And to be honest, you proved my point.
Instead of completely accepting the numbers, you played the talking point feminists use, the "well these men are horrible husbands so the women file the divorces" explanation, but you presented no data to back it. You showed it's the automatic response, even in some men!!!

The solution is to change the system, not to destroy the sanctity of marriage. To teach people to be supportive, not to shop for a partner like they would a good steak. But that takes real mentorship from strong men and women doesn't it? And with the illuminati dumming kids down, turning them to simps who decry the cost of college, unable to even assume basic gender roles without risking jail time...the last thing we need is someone making the problem an issue of men versus women. Its an issue of people being ignorant.

No one has advocated destroying marriage. No one. What's being said is that the combination of the biased family court system coupled with women who have unrealistic expectations is destroying it just fine.

Men do have to look at it like buying a product, because they are literally making the most important financial decision they will ever make. Of course they look at it analytically. This decision can wipe out half their net worth, at the whim of the other person in the contract. They best analyze the hell out of it!!!



And you still have not answered what specifically you take offense to Mr Samuels saying in regards to his advice to women...

I know he advocates they don't sleep around, they learn housekeeping skills, they stay in shape, they support their husbands and bring positivity to their lives, they eat well, they are respectful of others. Where's your issues with that advice????

[billeau2]

My statistics include "no fault" divorces. That's the big problem, you have millions of men out there doing the right things; being a good dad, working hard, and through NO FAULT of his, his wife chooses to leave, and there's a 90% chance he loses over half his net worth, loses access to his kids, and has to pay child support and possibly alimony out of his future earnings.

The honest, brutal truth is that only the ****** men, or the men ignorant of these numbers, are marrying these days. And the stats prove it.

And to be honest, you proved my point.
Instead of completely accepting the numbers, you played the talking point feminists use, the "well these men are horrible husbands so the women file the divorces" explanation, but you presented no data to back it. You showed it's the automatic response, even in some men!!!




No one has advocated destroying marriage. No one. What's being said is that the combination of the biased family court system coupled with women who have unrealistic expectations is destroying it just fine.

Men do have to look at it like buying a product, because they are literally making the most important financial decision they will ever make. Of course they look at it analytically. This decision can wipe out half their net worth, at the whim of the other person in the contract. They best analyze the hell out of it!!!



And you still have not answered what specifically you take offense to Mr Samuels saying in regards to his advice to women...

I know he advocates they don't sleep around, they learn housekeeping skills, they stay in shape, they support their husbands and bring positivity to their lives, they eat well, they are respectful of others. Where's your issues with that advice????

Certainly there are incidents where women abuse divorce, and where men do so, etc. Thats not really my point. The honest truth is that marriage is not to be taken lightly. It has lost its gravitas... its often more about the wedding... as a matter of fact? when we did catering stuff we had an expression: The larger the wedding, the sooner the divorce.

Im not challenging your numbers on ideological grounds 1bad.... Im asking you to consider your statistics properly. Those cases figure into the numbers... Thats just the reality, Iam not usingn them to advocate for a side in this debate... there is no side imo. Once they do away with the sanctity of the family, we all lose. It is why we have simps walking around that cannot stand up for anything, do not know what they are, etc...

The biased court system is a big enabler... If it did the same for men, like itb does in many parts of the world... Do you think men say "wait a second, before you put that electric chair to me, fix it so it nworks!" So to speak. Your kind of oblivious frankly... Women in India are killed... men don't protest lol! Women have a court system that favors them are enabled... your bone to pick is with human nature and the court system... And yes it is unfair, but hardly the monopoly on such a lack of equinamity.

Yes men should indeed be circumspect about this decision, so should women. Nobody benefits from a bad marriage.

Ive given you tons of things I find offensive. Not going to reiterate them again... You seem to really have an issue with this issue... Your usually easy to have a dispassionate conversation with but: while I have enumerated many times my issues with Samuels, you claim I have not... You accused me of forsaking a link that was not directed to me... which I had to track down and did out of respect for you... and finally.... you have accused me of not watchingn Samuels when I have. Its not like you to do these things. Its almost like you are superfanning Mr Samuels if I am honest. At any rate lets agree to disagree about certain aspects of Samuels, as we actually do not disagree on many of the perpheral issues.

[1bad65]

The biased court system is a big enabler... If it did the same for men, like itb does in many parts of the world... Do you think men say "wait a second, before you put that electric chair to me, fix it so it nworks!" So to speak. Your kind of oblivious frankly... Women in India are killed... men don't protest lol! Women have a court system that favors them are enabled... your bone to pick is with human nature and the court system... And yes it is unfair, but hardly the monopoly on such a lack of equinamity.

The biggest thing they need to do is change how 'No Fault' divorces are handled. As it sits now, women who file on a whim know that over 90% of the time, they get the kids and the cash and prize package. That's insanity.

If you initiate a No Fault divorce, you don't get over 50% of the assets, you don't get over 50% child custody, you take at least 50% of the debt, and you leave the marital residence. That's the best you get, of course in court you may get less than that. But you do not get the more than half of anything. You choose to file without cause, you don't come out ahead. Period.

The second thing they need to do is make perjury in family court a felony, with mandatory prison time if it involves the children, and they need to enforce it strictly. There should be zero tolerance for people who make false accusations in a court of law to gain advantage in a divorce.

Ive given you tons of things I find offensive. Not going to reiterate them again... You seem to really have an issue with this issue... Your usually easy to have a dispassionate conversation with but: while I have enumerated many times my issues with Samuels, you claim I have not... You accused me of forsaking a link that was not directed to me... which I had to track down and did out of respect for you... and finally.... you have accused me of not watchingn Samuels when I have. Its not like you to do these things. Its almost like you are superfanning Mr Samuels if I am honest. At any rate lets agree to disagree about certain aspects of Samuels, as we actually do not disagree on many of the perpheral issues.

All I asked for was a few bullet points to move this along. I gave you some.....

If you want to be that way, ok.

But I won't let you misrepresent what Mr Samuels said.

[billeau2]

The biggest thing they need to do is change how 'No Fault' divorces are handled. As it sits now, women who file on a whim know that over 90% of the time, they get the kids and the cash and prize package. That's insanity.

If you initiate a No Fault divorce, you don't get over 50% of the assets, you don't get over 50% child custody, you take at least 50% of the debt, and you leave the marital residence. That's the best you get, of course in court you may get less than that. But you do not get the more than half of anything. You choose to file without cause, you don't come out ahead. Period.

The second thing they need to do is make perjury in family court a felony, with mandatory prison time if it involves the children, and they need to enforce it strictly. There should be zero tolerance for people who make false accusations in a court of law to gain advantage in a divorce.



All I asked for was a few bullet points to move this along. I gave you some.....

If you want to be that way, ok.

But I won't let you misrepresent what Mr Samuels said.

Yes it is insanity...Again agree on all those points.
I gave a lot of my points throughout and rpeated them a lot... Seriously. I never misrepresented anythng. I opened a thread asking abouit opinions... There is nothing that I stated that is not common in what Samuels said... Are you sure your not confusing my posts? You thought you posted a link to me, you attributed statements about marriage and such that I never made... The irony is my points are not particularly worthy because they are shared by many people, men and women. I think you may truly have confused the points I brought up.

Im not saying everything the guy said was wrong either... I just noted (pay attention please)

1. It is hypocritical to fail at somethiing and become a self professed advisor about it. I never mentioned what he said to men... or his views on the church....
2. I spoke about the falsehood and fallicy of his first point regarding High Value. I made an admittedly fairly intricate point about setting a low bar, but aside from that all I did was to discuss the statistic fallicy of using an isolated statistic as an indicator of value.
3. I spoke about his views on education based on what he tells young women going to school.

Not much more than that... You brought up other ideas suggesting he had good intentions, etc. I actually never debated that point. Now truly: You cannot tell me that these points above were not explicated several times throughout the thread: I always gave examples, as well... You debated his intentions... And I actually even refrained from discussing his child and alimony, though I mentioned it once in the thread.

Now out of respect for you I will not go into your statements about what I know about Samuels,,,and my supposed insolence regarding the evil nature of all marriages!

[kara]

Yes it is insanity...Again agree on all those points.
I gave a lot of my points throughout and rpeated them a lot... Seriously. I never misrepresented anythng. I opened a thread asking abouit opinions... There is nothing that I stated that is not common in what Samuels said... Are you sure your not confusing my posts? You thought you posted a link to me, you attributed statements about marriage and such that I never made... The irony is my points are not particularly worthy because they are shared by many people, men and women. I think you may truly have confused the points I brought up.

Im not saying everything the guy said was wrong either... I just noted (pay attention please)

1. It is hypocritical to fail at somethiing and become a self professed advisor about it. I never mentioned what he said to men... or his views on the church....
2. I spoke about the falsehood and fallicy of his first point regarding High Value. I made an admittedly fairly intricate point about setting a low bar, but aside from that all I did was to discuss the statistic fallicy of using an isolated statistic as an indicator of value.
3. I spoke about his views on education based on what he tells young women going to school.

Not much more than that... You brought up other ideas suggesting he had good intentions, etc. I actually never debated that point. Now truly: You cannot tell me that these points above were not explicated several times throughout the thread: I always gave examples, as well... You debated his intentions... And I actually even refrained from discussing his child and alimony, though I mentioned it once in the thread.

Now out of respect for you I will not go into your statements about what I know about Samuels,,,and my supposed insolence regarding the evil nature of all marriages!

You can generally pay NO child support if you go for joint-custody in some states. I know a few guys who got around child support with that.

[AlexKid_The Return]

RIP brother

[billeau2]

You can generally pay NO child support if you go for joint-custody in some states. I know a few guys who got around child support with that.

That is an interesting concept... It has roots in property laws and of course Real Estate. You basically have two adults right? No other qualifiers needed. Thats the concept at least. The thing is people can always work out how they want to celebrate a marriage. I am sure two intelligent adults can figure out how to tie the knot if they love each other.

[i_am_a_champ]

RIP brother

Holy shyt are u back you kunt or is this Anorak trolling ?

It was days like this, im stoned lying in bed, ill put the ear pods in and watch Kevin

RIP Kevin Samuels

[1bad65]

You can generally pay NO child support if you go for joint-custody in some states. I know a few guys who got around child support with that.

Correct.

But that's rare, as the women get the kids 90% of the time.

[AlexKid_The Return]

Holy shyt are u back you kunt or is this Anorak trolling ?

It was days like this, im stoned lying in bed, ill put the ear pods in and watch Kevin

RIP Kevin Samuels

xDDD Im back bro kinda not planning on staying much, might make a joke here and there, im busy with pu55y and beaches