Omicron now

[Robbie Barrett]

Those hospitalized with omicron in South Florida mostly unvaccinated

[Robbie Barrett]

smallpox was 30 percent mortality rate, covid is 0.3 percent, omicron is maybe 100x weaker according to some researchers, you do not need a ****in jab and booster for something with 0.003 percent mortality. the whole ****ing crap of 'covid affects people differently' is ****ing bull****, it affects old, fat and those who have other health problems. not being cold when i say that, its horrible people are dying but they should direct resources to them, the people who are at risk and offer them proper healthcare instead of throwing money into pfizers pockets jabbing people who dont need it. hey, know you all think i am some caveman but a leading epidemiologist just released his book about how the world has gone mad with this and lost the plot completely, youve got ITU consultants saying your jab is crap too. and how many elite athletes have died from this worldwide if its so random as to who this bug effects? you dont need artificial solution for every damn little thing, i will get through this without putting a penny in big pharmas pockets

Wow it's gone from 99x to 100x weaker and still no source.

[Dakuwaqa]

that freak will start following you around calling you names because you insulted da vaccines! this is where we are at now, a certain % of the population are literally in a cult, and will start attacking you if you question their god, the vaccine, which isn't even a 'vaccine', which makes you an anti vaxxer, for something that isnt even a vaccine in the first place. everything makes total sense in the cult of covidians!

LOL

Freak? I take that as a compliment coming from you.

Me a Beer are cool. He’s a good dude

[Robbie Barrett]

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Pandemic of the unvaccinated.

[Citizen Koba]

smallpox was 30 percent mortality rate, covid is 0.3 percent, omicron is maybe 100x weaker according to some researchers, you do not need a ****in jab and booster for something with 0.003 percent mortality. the whole ****ing crap of 'covid affects people differently' is ****ing bull****, it affects old, fat and those who have other health problems. not being cold when i say that, its horrible people are dying but they should direct resources to them, the people who are at risk and offer them proper healthcare instead of throwing money into pfizers pockets jabbing people who dont need it. hey, know you all think i am some caveman but a leading epidemiologist just released his book about how the world has gone mad with this and lost the plot completely, youve got ITU consultants saying your jab is crap too. and how many elite athletes have died from this worldwide if its so random as to who this bug effects? you dont need artificial solution for every damn little thing, i will get through this without putting a penny in big pharmas pockets

FWIW in terms of absolute numbers COVID has caused more deaths annually than smallpox did in even some of it's worst years in the UK or US due to it's far greater transmissability so it ain't just about mortality rates but also case numbers. Another interesting comparison would be to polio which killed only a relatively meagre 0.1% of those who got it and caused no symptoms or relative mild symptoms in over 95%... should we have not bothered with 'artificial measures' to prevent tens of thousands of adults and kids running the risk of paralaysis?

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You talking about this book?





Yeah seen it reviewed and mentioned a few places, gonna try to get hold of a copy.. believe me I ain't blind to the kinda arguments you're making, even have a deal of sympathy with some of em what I mainly object to is the fallacies you use to bolster them. Certainly there's solid arguments for and against prophylactic methods such as lockdowns and distancing and the economic impacts really can't be guaged accurately in adavnce (Sweden for instance did no better econmically than it's neighbours) and as a parent myself believe me my concerns about the harm to my kids education and development is is certainly no less than yours.

You mention what you imagine I believe about you but I could say much the same... despite that I think you've swallowed some weird American conspiracy bullchit I also share many of your very real concerns about some of the directions our society is taking, corruption, authoritariansim an erosion of our rights and an expansion of surveillance... I just got a different angle on em is all.


So you consider it a question of how great the threat is then, not one of absolutes? If you personally consider a disease outbreak to be of sufficient seriousness then you'd get behind vaccination efforts or prophylactic measures even if they were a bit draconian?

I hear ya... but who gets to decide how serious that would be? Is a 1% fatality and 10% hospitalisation enough to take mass action or 2% and 15%? That could be over a million dead in the UK alone. Would that do it for you? If we are tackling it as a society then surely that decison needs to be made at a societal level not by random individuals deciding themselves whether they feel like following such rules or not.

In the case of COVID I absolutely believe that the vaccines should be available for those who want it... it ain't for you to decide what level of risk should be acceptable to other people, although I also believe you have the right to refusal if you so choose. And with regard to 'Big Pharma'.. sure, fuck em, wasn't my choice to have our medicines developed and manufactured for profit and I think it's fkn ****** but unless we decide to move that shit to the public domain (ie nationalise) where else do you expect to get your medicines from in the event you do need em?

And with due fkn respect whilst Omicron might be relatively milder there was no crystal ball saying that was gonna happen or what other variants might emerge or how transmissable they might be when vaccine and prophylactic policy was being developed. Hindsight is always 20/20 man, but you didn't know at the start of the pandemic just how it'd play out any more than the top level epidemiologists and policy advisors and in the circumstances not planning for the worst could have been catastrophic.

Anyways... with luck although it's too early to say for sure - this Omicron **** could well be the route back to something like normality and utterly unsurprisingly neither the direst predictions and models of COVID deaths spammed by the gutter press nor the wild accusations of totalitarian conspiracy promoted by some have really come to pass, although there has been much of the ongoing authoritarian creep and profiteering from our crooks in charge that are very real and genuine problems.

[Madison Boxing]

Wow it's gone from 99x to 100x weaker and still no source.

i put it in a thread before, got a policy now of not digging up all sources, look for it yourself, clown

[Madison Boxing]

This book? Yeah seen it reviewed and mentioned a few places, gonna try to get hold of a copy.. believe me I ain't blind to the kinda arguments you're making, what I mainly object to is the fallacies you use to bolster them.



So you consider it a question of how great the threat is then, not one of absolutes? If you personally consider a disease outbreak to be of sufficient seriousness then you'd get behind vaccination efforts or prophylactic measures even if they were a bit draconian?

I hear ya... but who gets to decide how serious that would be? Is a 1% fatality and 10% hospitalisation enough to take mass action or 2% and 15%? That could be over a million dead in the UK alone. Would that do it for you? If we are tackling it as a society then surely that decison needs to be made at a societal level not by random individuals deciding themselves whetther they feel like following such rules or not.

In the case of COVID I absolutely believe that the vaccines should be available for those who want it... it ain't for you to decide what level of risk should be acceptable to other people, although I also believe you have the right to refusal if you so choose. And with regard to 'Big Pharma'.. sure, fuck em, wasn't my choice to have our medicines developed and manufactured for profit and I think it's fkn ****** but unless we decide to move that shit to the public domain (ie nationalise) where else do you expect to get your medicines from in the event you do need em?

And with due fkn respect whilst Omicron might be relatively milder there was no crystal ball saying that was gonna happen or what other variants might emerge or how transmissable they might be when vaccine and prophylactic policy was being developed. Hindsight is always 20/20 man, but you didn't know at the start of the pandemic just how it'd play out any more than the top level epidemiologists and policy advisors and in the circumstances not planning for the worst could have been catastrophic.

Anyways... with luck although it's too early to say for sure - this Omicron **** could well be the route back to something like normality and utterly unsurprisingly neither the direst predictions and models of COVID deaths spammed by the gutter press nor the wild accusations of totalitarian conspiracy promoted by some have really come to pass, although there has been much of the ongoing authoritarian creep and profiteering from our crooks incharge that are very real and genuine problems.

yeah if its a bad enough virus i agree with them type of things and to take the risk, but ive always been brought up to take medicines when i need them, not for things that arent a problem for me. theres side effects to all things, i dont want that crap if i dont need it. ive never had the flu vaccine because im not vulnerable to it and i wont take this one either. people can say im selfish or whatever and could spread it but someone else can have my jab, someone who may be vulnerable in a 3rd world country can have the jab i was meant to and my allocation of the new miracle pill, i dont want it.

[man down]

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Pandemic of the unvaccinated.

I just watched NY doctor in a NY hospital say that over 50% are vaxxed.

[Madison Boxing]

I just watched NY doctor in a NY hospital say that over 50% are vaxxed.

i saw 80 percent in UK with covid in ITU are overweight/obese, thats why hes panicking, hes praying that jab works or hes out of options. you know what barrett you can have all my jabs as a late xmas present, all 3

[Robbie Barrett]

i saw 80 percent in UK with covid in ITU are overweight/obese, thats why hes panicking, hes praying that jab works or hes out of options. you know what barrett you can have all my jabs as a late xmas present, all 3

It's OK little man. I know facts hurt and that's why you're lashing out. FACTS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your opinion.