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Originally posted by PACnPBFsuck View Post
KillaMane26
This is what power hungry looks like, and if you put the mustache on him, he looks just like uncle H.
Even if you're vaccinated and you're against mandates, you're considered an anti-vaxxer, swallow that hypocrisy pill.
It's always been about power.
I agree with you. This is all about power/control
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Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View PostOriginally posted by Citizen Koba View Post
Just further context, these are a couple of poor remote indigenous communities with minimal healthcare facilities.
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Indigenous Australians in these areas under some of the strictest lockdowns in the country
The indigenous people of Australia been pushed around and generally treated like shat ever since the British started colonising.
For those who ain't aware the Nothern Territories are about twice the size of Texas but with a population of just 250,000 about 150,000 of whom live in or around the territorial capital of Darwin which is about 200 miles away from these outbreaks. That's about 100,000 people in half a million square miles which makes Wyoming look like a bustling metropolis. Most of the territories 75,000 indigenous people live in smaller communities like these. Poverty, overcrowding and alcoholism are rife.
The nearest town to these communities is Katherine a community of 6300 people with a 60 bed hospital completely unequipped to deal with this kinda outbreak
OTOH it does seem like the fear in these communities is running higher than the actual threat level and it's hard to know whether the response is proportional or not. Also it's quite possible strict lockdowns in the kinda heat they got there right now (it's right on the fringes of the tropics) might be more risk than the disease itself.
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Luke Ellis, an Aboriginal health worker with Katherine Aboriginal community-controlled health organisation Wurli Wurlinjang, also spoke out after testing positive to the virus. Ellis on Wednesday from quarantine at Howard Springs.
“The ‘army’ isn’t going into communities with soldiers and guns, the air force is helping out with trucks, drivers and freeing up the police in checkpoints,” Ellis wrote.
“The reason that people are being moved from Binjari is that overcrowding is a huge issue in Binjari and Rockhole. Isolating at home is not feasible when 20-30 people live in one home.”“In the past people have been hesitant about getting the vaccine. People have been hesitant because of misinformation. But in all my time doing vaccines in the community, not a single person was ‘forced’ to have it. We respected people’s wishes to decline even though we knew that this could potentially bring disaster.
“Not everything is perfect. There are legit issues and causes for concerns about the way things are unfolding. But they are being drowned out by the crazies who are using this situation to fuel their own agenda.”
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Originally posted by PACnPBFsuck View Post
KillaMane26
This is what power hungry looks like, and if you put the mustache on him, he looks just like uncle H.
Even if you're vaccinated and you're against mandates, you're considered an anti-vaxxer, swallow that hypocrisy pill.
It's always been about power.
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Originally posted by man down View PostYou can't go into a store unless your double vaxxed? Koba should be against this right? As he's not for mandates.
Question you oughta be asking is whether most people in these communities understand and accept the need for them or whether they're being imposed against their will.. And most information I'm seeing suggests that these people are complying voluntarily.
Also from the information I got no one has actually been obligated to get vaccinated in these communities and in the two most affected villages lockdowns apply to everyone except vaccinated essential workers.
Combination of factors here though given the hugely crowded and sometimes unsanitary conditions in which many of the indigenous population live and the extreme poverty mean that the consequences of an outbreak in the indigenous community could be much worse than in a European Australian settlement of similar size.
Also it's not at all clear that the people in these poor rural indigenous communities have actually made a decision to refuse vaccination rather than they just not been offered or not got round to it yet.
EDIT: only just watched your Tik Tok man thought you were talking about the thread title and went on talking about that.
They not letting the unvalued in stores huh? It's not a mandate, man. People can shop online or get other people to shop for em. If you choose not to get vaccinated it is legitimate for others to try to minimise the greater threat of infection you potentially represent. I'm not in favour of fines for just wondering the streets unvaried or for requiring vaccination to go to work except in certain front line professions and even then only if natural immunity or negative tests should be allowed instead IMO... But once again each community or society needs to decide for itself based on its individual circumstances
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Originally posted by Citizen Koba View Post
About the strictest lockdowns there are anywhere and no I ain't personally in favour but I also respect the right of each community or each country to take what measures they see fit to protect their citizens. And I don't weigh the right of people to go and do what they please over the right of other citizens to not be put at greater risk... Same way I'm in favour of rules against people smoking in public buildings cos of the dangers of passive smoking.
Question you oughta be asking is whether most people in these communities understand and accept the need for them or whether they're being imposed against their will.. And most information I'm seeing suggests that these people are complying voluntarily.
Also from the information I got no one has actually been obligated to get vaccinated in these communities and in the two most affected villages lockdowns apply to everyone except vaccinated essential workers.
Combination of factors here though given the hugely crowded and sometimes unsanitary conditions in which many of the indigenous population live and the extreme poverty mean that the consequences of an outbreak in the indigenous community could be much worse than in a European Australian settlement of similar size.
Also it's not at all clear that the people in these poor rural indigenous communities have actually made a decision to refuse vaccination rather than they just not been offered or not got round to it yet.
One thing leads to another and you know this. The more power you give the government the more they take and that's just always been a fact.
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Originally posted by man down View Post
We see you Koba, you're really not fooling anyone. You either support them or you don't. It's really that simple. This is why when you post a whole page response we know it's BS because it's really as simple as a yes or no.
One thing leads to another and you know this. The more power you give the government the more they take and that's just always been a fact.
In brief no I ain't personally in favour of mandates - no one should be fined or jailed for simply not getting vaccinated, but yes I think each community or country has the right to impose such restrictions on the activities of those who choose not to vaccinated as they see fit to minimize the risk to others.
So no to mandates, but yes to preventing people going in shops if that society believes it necessary. Personally it wouldn't trouble me but every society or community needs to decide it's own measures. Notice you ain't concerning yourself with the rules in China or Japan and you ain't even interested in these indigenous folk.
And yes authoritarian creep is real and should absolutely be guarded against. Nonetheless in my world the right to good health and life *****s the rather nebulous concept of 'freedom' and simply living in any society requires us to abide by consensus behaviours.
And who's this 'we'? You developing some kinda multiple personality disorder there, man?
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