austria in full lockdown and mandatory vaccines ordered to combat '5th wave'

[man down]

Funny. In spite of everything it never crossed my mind that you just might be ****** before. Always wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt on account that you generally seem like a decent enough guy. How is what you posted in any way relevent to what I posted?

In fact never mind. I ain't actually interested in your answer. Come up with some evidence that contradicts the studies I linked and we'll have something to talk about. Until then ain't much point.

It's ok bud I learned that about you long ago. You just keep on defending the moving of the goalposts.

It's funny you want me to respond to your BS links and you've yet to address mine. I even bumped the topic today just for you.

[mlac]

For Austria in particular I'm going off what their Chancellor said, but I can go drag out the actual data from their public records if you're really interested. Bit of work for me though... Ain't familiar with Austrian records system so it'll be a sme legwork and I ain't gonna waste my time if you're just going to dismiss it I as fabrication.





In general terms though regarding the effectiveness of vaccination at reducing transmission:





One of numerous actual studies here (this one from Netherlands):



UK REACT study (referenced in another post)



NEJM Study of Scottish healthcare workers (early pre-delta data however)



Lancet with another UK based study



What seems to be reasonably muddying the waters is that a lot of peeople are reasonably wondering why infections ain't dying away if the vaccines are effective but the more pertinent question should maybe be 'how high would infections be if populations wweren't getting vaccinated at high levels?' Bear in mind that the spread of infectious disease multiplies exponentially so even a moderate initial difference in infectivity can result in vastly different outcomes over a longer span of time.

Austria is kinda a case in point here obviously, although just as I'd be wary of putting to much weight it the temporary experiences of highly vaccinated countries who have infection spikes, so I'd also not want to automatically hold up Austrias current spike to be solely the result of relatively low vaccination uptake without the full picture. What is clear though is that Austria authorities clearly do believe the unvaccinated are the major drivers of the current wave.

did you even read your own links? i clicked on the first few, and they are articles repeating ' some studies show' and i can find 100 studies that show the complete opposite, and didn't you post a 'manufacturing consent' link in another thread? yet when asked for evidence you do a google and link me a bunch of .gov websites and articles that dont say anything conclusively, yet you conclusively said in your own post as if it was a undisputed fact. It isn't. I find that disturbingly ironic.

[Madison Boxing]

This ends when the people stand up

even larry is getting annoyed now

he begging for action against it

“and seriously wtf are you going to do about it?”

what’s any government going to do if a sizable chunk of the population refuses for several days

Government doesn’t have enough enforcers

this is true, but thats where mainstream media , propaganda is so effective. when you are being constantly fed the same messages people tend to believe it, youve got people blaming the anti vaxxers for all the problems now, even though originally the vaccines were just meant for the vulnerable and if someone doesnt want the vaccine they arent harming anyone, they are being scapegoated and demonized. . in the UK the home secretary was encouraging people to snitch on their neighbours if they saw them out of the house and people did, we had people putting messages on peoples cars saying they are disgrace if they saw them leaving the house too often, u cant underestimate how ****** most people are and 90 percent of the population , if they are told enough times, will do as they are told. it doesnt matter what facts you show them, they will bow down to authority or in this case 'follow the science'. people think locking the unvaccinated down is for 'the greater good'. people can say austria have got full lockdown but all the coments from other countries is pointing too they will be treated different to the rest, they will have their liberties taken, new laws will pass to stop them from entering certain places and mix with other people, WHERE HAVE WE SEEN THIS BEFORE?!

[GrandpaBernard]

this is true, but thats where mainstream media , propaganda is so effective. when you are being constantly fed the same messages people tend to believe it, youve got people blaming the anti vaxxers for all the problems now, even though originally the vaccines were just meant for the vulnerable and if someone doesnt want the vaccine they arent harming anyone, they are being scapegoated and demonized. . in the UK the home secretary was encouraging people to snitch on their neighbours if they saw them out of the house and people did, we had people putting messages on peoples cars saying they are disgrace if they saw them leaving the house too often, u cant underestimate how ****** most people are and 90 percent of the population , if they are told enough times, will do as they are told. it doesnt matter what facts you show them, they will bow down to authority or in this case 'follow the science'. people think locking the unvaccinated down is for 'the greater good'. people can say austria have got full lockdown but all the coments from other countries is pointing too they will be treated different to the rest, they will have their liberties taken, new laws will pass to stop them from entering certain places and mix with other people, WHERE HAVE WE SEEN THIS BEFORE?!

Austrians too nice?

they own buncha guns like Americans right

Imagine if people were snitching on those leaving the house in America

Some Americans would take their beloved firearms and shoot those snitches dead

[Madison Boxing]

The riots have started in holland....

[man down]

The riots have started in holland....

There's a bunch of other countries popping off but for some reason they won't show us what's going on in America.

I made a topic about it a couple days ago with video. The streets were blacked out with people.

[Citizen Koba]

The riots have started in holland....

Unsurprising really. This is what happens when you get an upswell of anger and discontent. Like most riots a combination of a minority of genuine ideologues, a lot of people who actually meant no harm but were caught up in it and a bunch of opportunists taking advantage of the chaos to have a campfire and do a little late night shopping.

Honestly though protests just kinda run outta steam after a while, these kinda things got a inertia to em... there's been waves of protests on and off in Eurpoe since the first lockdowns but theyll likely die down again after abit only to resurge when the next measures are put in place.

[Citizen Koba]

There's a bunch of other countries popping off but for some reason they won't show us what's going on in America.

I made a topic about it a couple days ago with video. The streets were blacked out with people.

I think one of em was Austria from the street signs, possibly Germany though. Lot of angry people around. Do the US usually give airtime to protests in Europe... we're protesting about **** all the time over here but I never knew Americans paid an interest.

Sad to see the rioting and looting though. It's entirely unsurprising but that shit benefits no-one.

[man down]

I think one of em was Austria from the street signs, possibly Germany though. Lot of angry people around. Do the US usually give airtime to protests in Europe... we're protesting about **** all the time over here but I never knew Americans paid an interest.

Sad to see the rioting and looting though. It's entirely unsurprising but that shit benefits no-one.

I dunno did you see the *** riots there?
let me search.

Edit, that took all of a minute. Yeah they aired them. Figures, one is playing against a group and another is playing to the government. The governments actions get sidelined. Hmm kind of odd eh?

After calling me ****** or dumb why are you even responding to me?

[Citizen Koba]

this is true, but thats where mainstream media , propaganda is so effective. when you are being constantly fed the same messages people tend to believe it, youve got people blaming the anti vaxxers for all the problems now, even though originally the vaccines were just meant for the vulnerable and if someone doesnt want the vaccine they arent harming anyone, they are being scapegoated and demonized. . in the UK the home secretary was encouraging people to snitch on their neighbours if they saw them out of the house and people did, we had people putting messages on peoples cars saying they are disgrace if they saw them leaving the house too often, u cant underestimate how ****** most people are and 90 percent of the population , if they are told enough times, will do as they are told. it doesnt matter what facts you show them, they will bow down to authority or in this case 'follow the science'. people think locking the unvaccinated down is for 'the greater good'. people can say austria have got full lockdown but all the coments from other countries is pointing too they will be treated different to the rest, they will have their liberties taken, new laws will pass to stop them from entering certain places and mix with other people, WHERE HAVE WE SEEN THIS BEFORE?!

Right wing propaganda is also effective man and social media misinformation . Do you imagine your own opinions, narratives and sentiment are not also subject to manipulation? No man... we all vulnerable. Those of us who think we ain't probably most of all. There was literally no need for this to be treated as anything other than a public health crisis, yyet somehow the RWM has manged to cast it as a battle for freedom and liberty... why would they do that you think? Whichever side of the fence you stand on you surtely can't be naive enough to believe that what Tucker Carlson says on Fox or what OAN says or what comes out of the NYP or Hertiage foundation ain't calculated to produce a particualr effect any more than you should believe what comes out of CNN or other MSM is not trying to bend your ideas to a particular narrative. None of these guys are your friends man... you're a pawn to all of em.


It's the nature of countries and Governents to go authoritarian when there's a crisis that threatenes the whole... when we have wars, famine, natural disasters, and yes epidemics this is what happens... and yes, we should rightly be on guard against authoritiarian creep but we should also have the wisdom to discern what is genuinely being done in the name of public health and what is over-reach. We should also understand that there are those we may seek to undermine genuine public health measures for the sake of either profit (i'm seeing you Mr Mercola and Stu Piders) or political gain... one in your eye Mr Murdoch et al...

Sorry I'll stop or this'll turn into an essay... let's just say there's a middle road between trusting government and treating this as some totalitarian global domination plan. Muther****ers just ain't that capable or powerful anyway and the battlefield is more complex than you imagine. You'll have to figure it out for yourself though.