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Ronaldo is the greatest player of all time.. the guy has broken just about every goal scoring record there is..

Football is a simple game about scoring more then the other team at the end of they day.. City.. Barca having huge % of the ball and stringing 1000s of passes together means nothing if the ball doesn't end in the net

Also PSG are absolutely pathetic.. how many times will they bottle it in the CL

The thing is when he was at the peak of his career he was out shined by Messi for 4 years straight. It's hard to ignore that. He's great no doubt but how can he be the best of all time if he wasn't even the best in the world during most of his prime years?

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The thing is when he was at the peak of his career he was out shined by Messi for 4 years straight. It's hard to ignore that. He's great no doubt but how can he be the best of all time if he wasn't even the best in the world during most of his prime years?

This just not true at all.. who are you to say when his prime was?

As good as he is he is just one person..

The funny thing about Messi when he was the top player he was backed up by 2 world cup winners in Inestia and Xavi who every year were 2nd and 3rd players of the year.. and most people feel they should have actually won over messi on a couple of occasions..

What happened to Messi and Barca as soon as Xavi retired and Inestia declined? they fell the hell off

Ronaldo has good players around him at Madrid but no one who was near the level of those 2 for a sustained period..

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This just not true at all.. who are you to say when his prime was?

As good as he is he is just one person..

The funny thing about Messi when he was the top player he was backed up by 2 world cup winners in Inestia and Xavi who every year were 2nd and 3rd players of the year.. and most people feel they should have actually won over messi on a couple of occasions..

What happened to Messi and Barca as soon as Xavi retired and Inestia declined? they fell the hell off

Ronaldo has good players around him at Madrid but no one who was near the level of those 2 for a sustained period..

So when was his prime then? I’d say it was from his penultimate year at Utd to around 2012, is that out of line?

He has been mostly about looking to outscore Messi since his first year at Madrid. He has the whole Madrid team built around him and for example in 10/11 had more goals assisted for him by Ozil and Di Maria than Messi did by Xavi and Iniesta. I mention this year because it’s obviously a year Xavi, Iniesta and Barca were at their best and won the CL.

Someone asked why Benzema
Has lasted so long and well the answer is simply Ronaldo. He accommodates Ronaldo and it’s the same with Messi, with the likes of Villa and Ibrahimovic not made the focal point. So yeah both have their teams built perfectly for them to thrive and both had great players to play with. Madrid’s players were good enough over 38 games to win La Liga over Barca in 11/12 when Xavi and Iniesta were still doing great so the gap can’t be that big like you’re making out. If he was playing for Valencia during these years I could understand you’re point but he’s playing for Madrid ffs. The bottom line is Messi outshined him when they were at their best.

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So when was his prime then? He has been mostly about looking to outscore Messi since his first year at Madrid. He has the whole Madrid team built around him and for example in 10/11 had more goals assisted for him by Ozil and Di Maria than Messi did by Xavi and Iniesta. I mention this year because it’s obviously a year Xavi, Iniesta and Barca were at their best and won the CL.

Someone asked why Benzema
Has lasted so long and well the answer is simply Ronaldo. He accommodates Ronaldo and it’s the same with Messi, with the likes of Villa and Ibrahimovic not made the focal point. So yeah both have their teams built perfectly for them to thrive and both had great players to play with. Madrid’s players were good enough over 38 games to win La Liga over Barca in 11/12 when Xavi and Iniesta were still doing great so the gap can’t be that big like you’re making out. The bottom line is Messi outshined him when they were at their best.

Ronaldo has consistently scored around 50-60 goals a season since 2010.. so how are u gonna say when he was in his prime? Only last season he seemed to fall off (still scored over 40 goals LOL).. I guess because the year he scored 60.. when Barca won the league that was his prime? despite the fact he scored like 7 goals in the last game of the season lol

Also Di Maria/Ozil good players no doubt.. but far from legends like Xavi and Inestia.. I would say Madrid now is far more setup for Ronaldo in the past.. now that he has lost a bit of pace

The Barca team which completely outclassed Man United 2x in the final within 3 years, was better then any Madrid team Ronaldo has been in. In all honesty that Barca team imo failed as they should have won MORE champions leagues then they did.. given the dominance they had.

Up until a few seasons ago.. the two were both close.. maybe Messi had the edge, then Madrid won the CL back to back (first time ever btw) with Ronaldo scoring Vital goals in the KO stages.. and Portugal won the European Cup.. which pushed Ronaldo a fair bit ahead of Messi

I get it most people don't like Ronaldo because he's good looking a bit arrogant (he does loads of charity and actually seems like a nice dude).. bit of a pea****.. and he's played for United and Madrid.. with United in particular being a bit hated.. but i don't know how anyone can objectively put Messi ahead of Ronaldo these days...

In the champions league he absolutely dominates Messi which is far more telling.. then racking up a ton of goals in la liga imo. Either way both are probably top 5 all time.. along with Zidane in my book.. Inb4 someone says Pele despite never actually watching him

[*OG Wenger*]

Ronaldo's career could yet get more interesting.

He's 32 right? I can see him continuing to play at this elite European level until he's 36/37 easy. He's very economical in his movement. I never watch him and think he's run himself into the ground.

You gave to give him credit for finding ways to reinvent himself to stay at the top.

When he was younger and had legs he was a tricky winger. I remember all those silly step overs he used to do in his early Man Utd days. Now his athleticism is sliding a bit he's turned into an out-and-out poacher.

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So when was his prime then? I’d say it was from his penultimate year at Utd to around 2012, is that out of line?
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His very best year? perhaps it could be, basically that season we had a fantastic defence and then you would have Ronaldo constantly bail us out and snatch victories or draws out of nothing.

But it's hard to pinpoint with him and Messi.. they have been just ******ly good for 10+ years now.. i think they don't get enough credit.. IMO Ronaldhino/Ronaldo for a couple of seasons was maybe better player then both.. but ultimately they can't be considered as good as them as he lacked anywhere near the consistency those 2 have had..

That's why they are the GOAT's imo.. it's just so hard to keep that kind of level for so long..

[*OG Wenger*]

Milan are going to do a number on us tomorrow.

The last thing we need right now is to face a well drilled and organised team that don't concede many.

We couldn't break down Brighton FFS.

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Milan are going to do a number on us tomorrow.

The last thing we need right now is to face a well drilled and organised team that don't concede many.

We couldn't break down Brighton FFS.

Do you want Wenger out now? or wait till the end of the season?

I kinda of want rid of Mourhino at this point.. so i have been wondering what managers are out there..

it's the same for Arsenal.. who's gonna replace Wenger

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Looks like Isco will be gone on the summer Chelsea should be all over that but judging on recent signing they would try to get ****ing Bale instead

Feels like Chelsea need a complete rebuilding.. but i thought that after Mourhino left (2nd time) and you went onto win the league the following year lol..

You definitely need 2 top strikers though.. you either need extreme luck with injuries or to not be in Europe to compete with just one "top" striker (morata)

Big Rom needs to back whichever manager comes in next season..

**** think if Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal all change managers next season.. Man City will just stroll the PL again

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No Chelsea manager will get full backing by Roman or the board.

Simply too many off the pitch things going on to open a cheque book and spend 100m on Dybala, 125m on David Alaba and another 80m total on 2 bench players (40m players on the bench!).

The only way a Chelsea manager could truly get on is if the focus is like Sparked has been preaching:

Get the youth products on the pitch.

Only then would a Chelsea manager get backed because that Chelsea manager must have no expectation of purchasing World Class players and instead have the intent to mold the players on the roster into a World Class side.

The only managers that would be willing to do that is Brendan Rogers, Eddie Howe, Thomas Tuchel, Julian Nagelsmann and Sean Dyche.

But with Chelsea's media relationship every single one of those managers would be brutalized week in and out because of the lack of being a brand name manager. Just like Villas Boas (although he was burning the club to the ground tbf).

And I believe Conte to an extent wants to fulfill that role but whenever he wants a proper player the board hands him mid table starter.