Great Pyramids - Man Made? or...?

[Knicksman20]

no it... wouldnt make sense at all... lol

Who else besides aliens (if you believe that) would have access to that kind of knowledge?

[THE REED]

i just cant give into the aliens theory.. altho i agree its unexplainable

[tyson]

I've read this theory that the fallen angels/demons including Satan himself were responsible for those pyramids & other like structures. Supposedly Satan was trying to make some sort of counterfeit heaven on earth were he could be ruler over. It that's true then it would explain the deep knowledge of how the pyramids were built in accordance to the earth's proportions. Very strange if you ask me.

Satan?

Now that's an interesting spin on the theory.
I don't believe this gentleman called Satan exist.



This is the most interesting theory I've seen yet.
Some parts are totally weird, but it's worth watching, I guarantee that much.

[THE REED]

this whole thing bothers the **** out of me

[Ta Khent]

Like I said, you are coming from a very close minded and Afro-Centric point of view. The word "Kemet" doesn't necessarily mean what you think it means. Most black historians say it means "black land" but it more litterally means "something black".

The soil in the nile valley is very dark and rich and many believe that it refers to the color of the soil. Most Egyptologist's do not agree with the Afro-Centric point of view that it means "black land" or "place of blacks".

Also, there is no proof of African's ever making it to the American continent. The stone heads of the Olmecs were very consistent with the natives in the surrounding area and anyone who has studyed ancient Mexico understands that the indigenous people's of Mexico, often created sculptures that were grotesque or deformed in their appearance.

It's very racist to think that Africans, crossed the Atlantic and carved these faces, making it seem as if the Olmecs could not have done it themselves.

The Ife bronze sculptures in Nigeria could be argued were created by Europeans because they look nothing like anything any culture had done in that region but after years of study, anthropologist's found that is not true.

One thing is to be proud of your race another is to look at the world from such an Afro-centric point of view that you discredit every civilization that has any similarity to African ones, claiming they were influenced by black african's.

These Egyptologists (a soft science) you reference are not biological anthropologists or population geneticists. Who do they reference for issues pertaining to biology? Many of them, who are Eurocentric, sold their intellectual rights to the highest bidder and have been bias in their approach to Kemet since the first mummy was found. You keep saying Black Africans as if they are of one phenotype. That's like saying Ethiopians and Nigerians are the same. That's misleading. Like I said before, that "True Negro" hypothesis is DEAD in academia.


Your response leads me to believe that you are not up to speed on this issue. You see, that old paradigm has been shifting for many years now to your so-called Afro-Centric point of view as new and even old evidence is evaluated. See the excerpts below. Keep in mind, I'm not of the opinion that the people of Kemet were not mulitracial at some point. What I'm saying is that the original people of Kemet from the Pre-Dynastic time up until the Hyksos invasion were mostly black. For someone to say they were always mulitracial despite the fact that there's no evidence of a mass migration south into Kemet prior the Hyksos is absolute nonsense. As for MesoAmerica, I haven't performed enough research to formulate an opinion.


From Petrie onwards, it was regularly suggested, despite the evidence
of Pre-dyanstic cultures, Egyptian civlization of the 1st dyansty
appeared suddenly and must therefore have been introduced by an
invading foreign ''race''. Since the 1970's however, excavations at
bautu and nekhen have clearly demonstrated the indigenous Upper
Egyptian roots of early civlization in egypt. While there is
certainly evidence of foreign contact in the fourth millennium
B.C., this was not in the form of millitary invasion
page 65
Oxford History of Ancient egypt
Ian Shaw


Am J Phys Anthropol. 1996 Oct;101(2):237-46.
Concordance of cranial and dental morphological traits and evidence for endogamy in ancient Egypt.
Prowse TL, Lovell NC.
Department of Anthropology, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada.
A biological affinities study based on frequencies of cranial nonmetric traits in skeletal samples from three cemeteries at predynastic Naqada, Egypt, confirms the results of a recent nonmetric dental morphological analysis. Both cranial and dental traits analyses indicate that the individuals buried in a cemetery characterized archaeologically as high status are significantly different from individuals buried in two other, apparently nonelite cemeteries and that the nonelite samples are not significantly different from each other. A comparison with neighbouring Nile Valley skeletal samples suggests that the high status cemetery represents an endogamous ruling or elite segment of the local population at Naqada, which is more closely related to populations in northern Nubia than to neighbouring populations in southern Egypt.
Am J Phys Anthropol. 1992 Mar;87(3):245-54.


Keita SO.
Department of Surgery, Howard University Hospital, Washington, DC 20060.
Historical sources and archaeological data predict significant population variability in mid-Holocene northern Africa. Multivariate analyses of crania demonstrate wide variation but also suggest an indigenous craniometric pattern common to both late dynastic northern Egypt and the coastal Maghreb region. Both tropical African and European metric phenotypes, as well intermediate patterns, are found in mid-Holocene Maghreb sites. Early southern predynastic Egyptian crania show tropical African affinities, displaying craniometric trends that differ notably from the coastal northern African pattern. The various craniofacial patterns discernible in northern Africa are attributable to the agents of microevolution and migration.
J Hum Evol. 2000 Sep;39(3):269-88.


Soy Keita and A.J. Boyce April 2002)
The appearance of agriculture occurs in the Nile Valley some 2000 years after its appearance in Europe and the Near East. The major cultigens are the same in these areas. It has been hypothesized by some reasearchers that agriculture emerges in the Nile Valley cocomitant with the arrival of speakers of the Afro-Asiatic language family, both being brought after differentiation of the Nostratic macofamily speech community. In this view agriculture and(Afro-Asiatic)come from Europe, the locale of the Nostratic cradle in this model. A phenetic craniometric analysis of early farmers fromthe Nile Valley in Upper Egypt in order to explore this hypothesis. Badarian crania were studied with European and African series from the Howells' database, using generalized differences and cluster analysis(neighboring joining and UPGMA algorithms). Greater affinity is found with the African series. The results are considered with a variety of linguistic and archaeological evidence, as well as the findings of simulation studies relevant to this study. It concluded that the earliest Nile Valley farmers in Upper Egypt for which there is record were locals, not European immigrants and therefore the development of agriculture in this region was not due to demic diffusion ultimately from Europe. The problems with phenetic affinity studies considered in isolation from other evidence will be discussed, as well as the flaws of thinking in terms of absolute identity, and not relative similarity.


As Anthropologist, Count Constantine de Volney (1727-1820), spoke about the race of the Egyptians that produced the Pharaohs. He later paid tribute to Herodotus' discovery when he said,

"The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of it's original color, while retaining none the less the imprint of it's original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face (referring to The Sphinx) is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest to or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of the people."



The evidence is so plentiful, I could go on and on with this. For a better view of my perspective, read Diop's book on the Origin of Civilization. Even the most Eurocentric of readers will be at least challenged to think twice.

Also, studying early Kemet in its African context is not Afro-Centric, but simply correct.

[Derranged]

Oh they were man made alright, made by THIS man:

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That is all.

[Salty]

No where has the forging of metal been found in the Mayan culture with the exception of a few instances of Gold, Silver and Copper....but very rare.

I find the damn video to show him he's wrong and doesn't reply?

[tyson]

actually I believe that it is possible for aliens to be out there, which I feel that is what your getting at. But if there are, wtf are they doing now or waiting for to make their presence known, instead of being stealthy.

I don't know why they are being stealthy. I do believe they are here though, and I do believe there are contact between goverments and some of them.

Why is the public being kept in the dark?
I don't know. Maybe they don't want people to know, maybe we are too ****** to see what's in front of our eyes.

It is impossible for us to be alone in this universe. There are too many reports from all over the world to ignore it and say we are alone.
There are all kinds of former goverment people who is willing to let everyone know what's going on.
It's not very hard to get a clue, all you need is a little research on your own.

The media is goverment-controlled, so you'll never learn anything from there.
The internet is difficult for them to control, so that's your best bet.

Some of the sites get regularly shut down by "outsiders" because they provide information they don't want you to know.

All I can say is that what you think you know and what you should know is two different things.
And, most of the conspiracy-**** is waaaay off the mark, so be critical to what you read, but allow an open mind.

Fiction has nothing on reality.

[ferocity]

Someone answer why none of this was recorded back then.. no drawings or anything of it

If you're talking about the Aztecs or South America in general. The spanish destroyed most of the recording they(Aztecs) had at the time.

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Tyson, great thread, thanks for the link.

[tyson]

If you're talking about the Aztecs or South America in general. The spanish destroyed most of the recording they(Aztecs) had at the time.

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Tyson, great thread, thanks for the link.

No problem.

He's talking about the Great Pyramid. No inscribtions at all.
The Egyptians always penned down what they did and why they did it, but not so in the Great Pyramid for some reason.