Life is a game - is it not?

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Since when have I mentioned that I wanted to work for a major corporation?
I'm not the desk type bud but if success is determined by how tall you are.. How come I hear Bill Gates is pretty sure [not sure if thats true or not though] but were do you get this info from?? The district manager for Best Buy [when I used to work there] was this short as **** asian guy!

I hope he was joking. By the way Bill Gates is 5'10

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....It's a known fact that short people do not attain the same success in life as their taller peers. It's almost guaranteed that you will never be a big corporate executive or huge player in the game if your not close to 6'0 tall. So don't be so sure about what you said unless you know for a fact that the guy your talking to is even shorter than you.

You just read that **** on yahoo two days ago... Most corporate executives are tools too, is there a correlation between height and their ****** factor...

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I hope he was joking. By the way Bill Gates is 5'10

...5'10 is enormous compared to you guys. The average male height is like 5'8-5'9 so Gates is above average. Thanks for proving my point. I was kind of joking but it is a known fact that shorter men achieve less than their taller counterparts. If you doubt what I'm saying I will find you statistical article after article stating this to be a fact. Just look at past Presidents. Rarely have we had a short President and most of the Presidents of the last 40 years have been right at 6'0 or better.

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You just read that **** on yahoo two days ago... Most corporate executives are tools too, is there a correlation between height and their ****** factor...

....That's been a fact for years kid and the last time I went on Yahoo was to sign up for OG's Fantasy Football league. Yeah those succesful guys suck!!! WTF??

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I hope he was joking. By the way Bill Gates is 5'10

.....Classic **** right her and it practically calls out Sin and Versy by name.

Standing tall pays off, study finds
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When it comes to height, every inch counts--in fact, in the workplace, each inch above average may be worth $789 more per year, according to a study in the Journal of Applied Psychology (Vol. 89, No. 3).

The findings suggest that someone who is 6 feet tall earns, on average, nearly $166,000 more during a 30-year career than someone who is 5 feet 5 inches--even when controlling for gender, age and weight.

The height-salary link was found by psychologist Timothy A. Judge, PhD, of the University of Florida, and researcher Daniel M. Cable, PhD, of the University of North Carolina. They analyzed data from four American and British longitudinal studies that followed about 8,500 participants from adolescence to adulthood and recorded personal characteristics, salaries and occupations. Judge and Cable also performed a meta-analysis of 45 previous studies on the relationship between height and workplace success.

Judge offers a possible explanation for the height bias: Tall people may have greater self-esteem and social confidence than shorter people. In turn, others may view tall people as more leader-like and authoritative.

"The process of literally 'looking down on others' may cause one to be more confident," Judge says. "Similarly, having others 'looking up to us' may instill in tall people more self-confidence."

As such, the biggest correlation between height and salary appeared in sales and management positions--careers in which customer perception has a major impact on success. If customers believe a tall salesperson is more commanding, for example, they may be more likely to follow the salesperson's wishes, Judge says.

Accordingly, height was most predictive of earnings in jobs that require social interaction, which include sales, management, service and technical careers. The height effect also mattered--though to a lesser degree--in other jobs such as crafts and blue-collar and clerical positions, researchers found.

The study also found that shorter men are slightly more likely to encounter height bias in the workplace than are shorter women. This phenomenon might have evolutionary origins, Judge posits.

"Perhaps when humans were in the early stages of organization, they used height as an index for power in making 'fight or flight' decisions," he says. "Of course, physical stature and prowess may be less important today, but those evolutionary appraisals may still be with us." And people may be more likely to apply those fight or flight subconscious appraisals to men than women, he adds.

Regardless, the study provides evidence that a height bias in the workplace may influence interactions and salaries just as previous research indicates attractiveness, weight and body image do.

Since men and women tend to differ in height, researchers controlled for gender by using the average height of 5 feet 9 inches for an American man and 5 feet 3 inches for a woman. They also controlled for age because people tend to lose 1 to 3 inches of their height during a lifetime.

The four longitudinal studies Judge and Cable used in their analysis were: the Quality of Employment survey from the U.S. Department of Labor, National Longitudinal Surveys by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Intergenerational Studies by the Institute of Human Development at the University of California Berkeley, and Great Britain's National Child Development Study.

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...5'10 is enormous compared to you guys. The average male height is like 5'8-5'9 so Gates is above average. Thanks for proving my point. I was kind of joking but it is a known fact that shorter men achieve less than their taller counterparts. If you doubt what I'm saying I will find you statistical article after article stating this to be a fact. Just look at past Presidents. Rarely have we had a short President and most of the Presidents of the last 40 years have been right at 6'0 or better.

Some of the greatest leaders that this world seen were way shorter then the average height.


Short people are also seem to be a little crazier and a lot more driven.

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The Height of Success



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By SCOTT STOSSEL
Published: November 5, 2006

SIZE MATTERS

How Height Affects the Health,

Happiness, and Success of Boys --

and the Men They Become.

By Stephen S. Hall.

388 pp. Houghton Mifflin. $26.

To the many indignities visited upon shorter than average males -- lower incomes, disadvantage in mate selection, cut rates for their deposits at the local ***** bank, long odds of making the N.B.A. -- has now been added this one: short people are ******er than tall people. That's the finding of a recent study by two Princeton economists who conclude, painfully for those of us who are south of 5 feet 9 inches, that the reason taller people make more money is that they are smarter.

That finding was published too late to make it into Stephen Hall's provocative book, but it's in keeping with the litany of obstacles arrayed against short men that he documents in ''Size Matters.'' Consider the very word ''stature.'' Its primary definition refers to physical height, but it can also connote everything from presence and charisma to virtue and importance; on a metaphorical level, height and worthiness of esteem are linked in the human mind. ''Nobility of soul accompanies tallness of body,'' wrote one 18th-century German physician, reflecting the conventional wisdom of the time. Repeated studies in the modern era have shown that people unconsciously ascribe positive qualities to the tall: in addition to being deemed more intelligent, tall people are automatically considered more likable, more dependable and more commanding. It seems that benefits accrue to the tall beginning almost from birth, and then keep accruing, leading to what is, generally speaking, a society where the tall lead and the short follow -- an ''altocracy,'' as Hall puts it. Only 3 of 43 American presidents -- James Madison, Benjamin Harrison and Martin Van Buren -- have been under 5 feet 7 inches, and it is well known that the taller of two presidential candidates usually wins the election.

The association of height with cultural desirability and even existential value has deep historical roots. The Roman historian Tacitus, writing in the first century A.D., associated height with both strength and moral virtue. Drawing on Tacitus and his successors, King Frederick William of Prussia became obsessed with recruiting -- and breeding -- an army of behemoths in the early 1700's. His so-called Potsdam Giants regiment was led by a man reported to be over 7 feet tall, and included at least one mercenary well over 8 feet; none of the Giants were under 6 feet. (James Tanner, the dean of human growth studies, has observed that this was probably the tallest group of men assembled before the advent of professional basketball in America.) Other militaries emulated Frederick (taller soldiers had longer strides, could thrust their bayonets farther, and had an easier time reloading their long rifles) and Hall argues that it was at this point in history -- when tall soldiers were more coveted than shorter ones -- that the market (and moral) value of height first became institutionalized.

As a man of a mere 5 feet 5 and three-quarters inches himself, Hall is on something of a quest, seeking not just to understand the science and culture of stature but also to come to terms with what the cartoonist Garry Trudeau has called his ''inner shrimp'' -- that distinctive ''I'm smaller than the rest of the world so I hope I don't get beaten up'' outlook that is imprinted at an early age and never dispelled, no matter what our final adult heights. Mixing traditional science reporting with personal anecdote, Hall ranges widely across popular culture and the scientific literature to explore such issues as what the average height of a population can reveal about culture and society (Why are the Dutch so tall? And why are Americans becoming relatively shorter?), and how the Food and Drug Administration's approval of human growth hormone as a ''treatment'' for undersize children in 2003 changed the politics and science of height. Here's an interesting philosophical question: If what matters psychologically is relative height, by treating short children with growth hormone, aren't we creating a whole new class of undersize ''victims,'' the untreated kids they surpass in height? Have we launched an arms race of avoiding shortness? If so, it's not hard to understand why. As Hall puts it, height matters because ''it clearly has an impact on social perceptions, romantic interactions, workplace hierarchies and our self-perception long after we've stopped growing.''

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5'9
Jimmy Carter
Millard Fillmore
Harry Truman

5'8
Rutherford Hayes
William Henry Harrison
James Polk
Zachary Taylor
Ulysses S. Grant

5'7
John Adams
John Quincy Adams
William McKinley

5'6
Benjamin Harrison
Martin Van Buren

5'3 & 3/4
James Madison


Yeah...Pbds is pretty much right except for Carter

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.....It's a fact that taller men statistically enjoy better careers and get more ***** and fame then their short counterparts. Hereis another article.

Tall Men and Money

For "Blink," Gladwell polled about half of the Fortune 500 companies and found that the majority of their CEOs were tall, white men, and:

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The average CEO was just under 6 feet (the average American man is 5'9")
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Among the CEOs, 58 percent were 6 feet or over
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In the United States, 14.5 percent of men are 6 feet or over
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Some 30 percent of the CEOs were 6'2" or taller
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Only 3.9 percent of U.S. men are 6'2" or taller

"Height matters for career success," said Timothy Judge, a University of Florida management professor who co-conducted a study on the topic.

How Tall are Some Famous Male Celebrities?

* Danny Devito 5'0"
* Immanuel Kant 5'0"
* Michael J. Fox 5'4"
* Al Pacino 5'5"
* Jason Alexander 5'5"
* Bob Dylan 5'6"
* Tom Cruise 5'7"
* Sylvester Stallone 5'7"
* Robert Downey Jr. 5'7"
* Ben Stiller 5'8"
* Mel Gibson 5'9"
* Henry Kissinger 5'9"
* Keanu Reeves 6'1"
* Laurence Fishburne 6'1"
* Pierce Brosnan 6'2"



* Will Smith 6'2"
* Jim Carrey 6'2"
* Arnold Schwarzenegger 6'2"
* Danny Glover 6'3"
* Chuck Heston 6'3"
* Gregory Peck 6'3"
* Tom Selleck 6'4"
* Clint Eastwood 6'4"
* Jeff Goldblum 6'4"
* Tim Robbins 6'4"
* Steve Segal 6'4"
* Liam Neeson 6'4"
* John Wayne 6'5"
* Michael Clarke Duncan 6'5"
* Dolph Lundgren 6'6"

After analyzing the results of four large-scale studies, Judge and co-author Daniel Cable, a business professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel-Hill, found that extra inches could add up to thousands of dollars.

For each inch in height, a person earned about $789 more in pay. So a 6-foot person would earn $5,525 more each year than someone who is 5'5."

"If you take this over the course of a 30-year career and compound it, we're talking about literally hundreds of thousands of dollars of earnings advantage that a tall person enjoys," Judge said.

The Dating Scene

The preference for taller men extends, it seems, beyond the boardroom and into the bedroom.

Steve Penner, the previous owner of a Boston-based dating service, says he heard it all the time. "It is common for many women to insist that any man they date must be "at least" four to six inches taller," he says.

And the reason may be genetic.

Tall men are more likely to get married and have children than short men.

Experts like James Gould from Princeton University believe that women's preference for tall men is hard-wired into the brain, and it's there because it relates to good health.

"When height is an indicator of health, this is not surprising, and if females are programmed to look for health, they would end up with taller males," Gould says. "It's entirely plausible this is true."

And a study published in the journal Nature seems to back up this theory. Robin I. M. Dunbar of the University of Liverpool and colleagues studied 3,200 men in their 20s to 50s, whose average height was 5'6." They found:

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Taller men are more likely to be married and have children than shorter men
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Childless bachelors are significantly shorter than married men
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Those with children were, on average, 1.2 inches taller than childless men
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Married men were an average of 1 inch taller than bachelors

Are Tall Men Happier?

Despite what the numbers say, being tall does not automatically mean a man will lead a happy, successful life--or that a shorter man won't.

As Gary Brooks, professor of psychology and family therapy at Baylor University, puts it, "Within manhood, men compare themselves to each other and most men feel relatively powerless and short in one dimension or the other."

Recommended Reading

The Top Six Signs that Someone is Physically Attracted to You

Why are More Boys than Girls Being Born?

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