How good is the Xbox 360?

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Some games do use at least half of that 8.5 gigs. Otherwise any game would fit on a DVD5 disc, and some games don't without compression. So, you're wrong.

And of course games aren't going to use more than 8.5 gigs now. They can't. Duh. The PS3 will make them able to. Of course not at first. probably not even the first year that the PS3 is on the market. It'll take game developers some time to learn the PS3, then developing a game will take time. The PS3 will be a Blu-Ray Disc player right out of the box. PS3 will be the biggest selling console, by far, again. This is a significant win for the Blu-Ray format. Remember the PS2 greatly helped the DVD format take off. I know my first DVD player was the PS2. So were a lot of peoples' first DVD players. A lot of peoples' first Blue Ray player will be the PS3.

And let's even forget what wins, Blu-Ray or HD DVD. The fact remains that PS3 will have Blu-Ray game discs and Xbox 360 will NOT have HD DVD game discs. When this happens, the PS3 games will be a ton better than the Xbox 360 games. PS3 really will be the next gen machine. Xbox 360 will not be at all.

Do you honestly think PS3s games will be better because of all the space that is available in a blue ray disk?

GPUs today are already topping out with todays games and thats with the kind of optimizations, coding, and patching advantages of a PC. The PS3's GPU is not much more than a top of the line NVIDIA PC based GPU.

The PS3's rendering limits will easily be hit before they use up a whole DVD9 cd's capacity.

Just because the media has huge capacity doesnt mean a better game the PS3 as big a power house as it is still has bottle necks. Optical media in particular have slow transfer rates, now if instead of making a 1 week long 5gig game you make a 1 week long 35gig+ long game u can expect there to be a serious amount of loading time . Ram surely cant accomodate that much space, and neither will the hard drive as that is also a systems bottleneck

[masterdirector]

Do you honestly think PS3s games will be better because of all the space that is available in a blue ray disk?

GPUs today are already topping out with todays games and thats with the kind of optimizations, coding, and patching advantages of a PC. The PS3's GPU is not much more than a top of the line NVIDIA PC based GPU.

The PS3's rendering limits will easily be hit before they use up a whole DVD9 cd's capacity.

Just because the media has huge capacity doesnt mean a better game the PS3 as big a power house as it is still has bottle necks. Optical media in particular have slow transfer rates, now if instead of making a 1 week long 5gig game you make a 1 week long 35gig+ long game u can expect there to be a serious amount of loading time . Ram surely cant accomodate that much space, and neither will the hard drive as that is also a systems bottleneck

we'll see. this is without question though, blu-ray will allow for less compressed games, meaning they'll look a ton better, even if the games aren't way bigger. it'll still be a huge noticeable difference I think. The Xbox360 will look like PS2 graphics in comparison to PS3 graphics.

and programmers better/worse...maybe. it sort of depends where you're talking about. american programmers might have gotten worse. maybe all western programmers, I don't know. but today there are so many patches for flaws instead of re-written code. of course, there's a lot more code to write today than back then. and there are people who know how to screw things up, a lot more than there used to be. It is such a different thing now than it was before my time that I don't think it is an easy or completely fair comparison anyhow.

[tonytucker]

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we'll see. this is without question though, blu-ray will allow for less compressed games, meaning they'll look a ton better, even if the games aren't way bigger. it'll still be a huge noticeable difference I think. The Xbox360 will look like PS2 graphics in comparison to PS3 graphics.

and programmers better/worse...maybe. it sort of depends where you're talking about. american programmers might have gotten worse. maybe all western programmers, I don't know. but today there are so many patches for flaws instead of re-written code. of course, there's a lot more code to write today than back then. and there are people who know how to screw things up, a lot more than there used to be. It is such a different thing now than it was before my time that I don't think it is an easy or completely fair comparison anyhow.

You are correct, it is probably an unfair comparison to some extent I must admit. As far as graphics go, I think the Xbox 360 is smacking about 22 GB per second(and the PS3 a little bit more), this is a long way from a 6800GS card at 32 GB per second, a 7800 GTX at 38, or the 7800 GTX card that is doing 54 GB per second! One does wonder somewhat, what the point of all these damn multiple cores are for, when the GPU is only capable of modest performance. Perhaps Sony and Microsoft should have cut back on all these multiple cores, and instead put more of there time and money into getting a faster GPU.
Later brother brologs.

[masterdirector]

maybe sony knows something we don't. we're on the verge of nanotechnology, maybe both companies have discovered something with their research. That nanotechnology, once they start figuring out how to make use of it, will be some amazing stuff. I don't know much about it, but from the presentations I sat through at school and the bits I've read, it's quite amazing. Buy your microsoft stock now.

[Mech.]

Do you honestly think PS3s games will be better because of all the space that is available in a blue ray disk?

GPUs today are already topping out with todays games and thats with the kind of optimizations, coding, and patching advantages of a PC. The PS3's GPU is not much more than a top of the line NVIDIA PC based GPU.

The PS3's rendering limits will easily be hit before they use up a whole DVD9 cd's capacity.

Just because the media has huge capacity doesnt mean a better game the PS3 as big a power house as it is still has bottle necks. Optical media in particular have slow transfer rates, now if instead of making a 1 week long 5gig game you make a 1 week long 35gig+ long game u can expect there to be a serious amount of loading time . Ram surely cant accomodate that much space, and neither will the hard drive as that is also a systems bottleneck

Ive already read about examples where developers for the 360 are running out of space on the dvd and are considering releasing a game on multiple DVD's.You know how much that would suck? Like the only acceptable instance for multiple DVD/CDs for a game are on rpg.But can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if Halo3 had multiple discs?

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Also the xbox having HDDVD support wont really have any effect,I mean who will buy the addon if you could buy the standalone for the same price?(assuming that the case because theyre rumored to be very expensive,so a very cheap addon dosent make sense) Its a doomed accesory(Like the ****ty addon you had to buy to play dvd's,even though you know...it could already play DVDs.****ers)

[Verstyle]

both of u guys can talk about all this high tech **** all u want.but i did want the xbox but now I want the ps3 although ive hated playstation since it came out.but i see xbox360 has had alot of problems so o well.

[theironone]

ive just got a 360 and am very impressed with, **** it if the ps3 rocks too then ill just buy that aswell, why do some people whinge so much

[Jarlaxle]

Ive already read about examples where developers for the 360 are running out of space on the dvd and are considering releasing a game on multiple DVD's.You know how much that would suck? Like the only acceptable instance for multiple DVD/CDs for a game are on rpg.But can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if Halo3 had multiple discs?

There probably wont even be extra disc for RPGs. CGIs and sound take up more space then anything. Oblivion has a ton of sound and Enchanted Arm has a ton of CGIs and both games will only have one disc. The only way I could see an Xbox 360 game having more then one disc is if it was multiple Japanese RPGs in one box.

we'll see. this is without question though, blu-ray will allow for less compressed games, meaning they'll look a ton better, even if the games aren't way bigger. it'll still be a huge noticeable difference I think. The Xbox360 will look like PS2 graphics in comparison to PS3 graphics.

Okkkk. Having less compression does not improve graphics. It can in rare cases improve sound and specific cases improve loading times. The difference between the 360 and PS 3 wont be close to the difference between the PS 2 and PS 3. Thats the craziest thing I have heard in years. Expect the 360 and PS 3 to have similar graphics.

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The only reason they release the 360 is to compete with the PS3.

[theironone]

??? obviously thats what there in the money for