How good is the Xbox 360?

[masterdirector]

No game on the market or in development (for any platform) even uses half the 8.5gigs. Dont count on what the Media is to be of any advantage. Blue Ray is still battling out HD-DVD. If HD-DVD becomes the standard for new movies then the PS3 running Blue ray discs wont mean a damn thing.

Take it easy man u would think u own Sony stock lol.

Some games do use at least half of that 8.5 gigs. Otherwise any game would fit on a DVD5 disc, and some games don't without compression. So, you're wrong.

And of course games aren't going to use more than 8.5 gigs now. They can't. Duh. The PS3 will make them able to. Of course not at first. probably not even the first year that the PS3 is on the market. It'll take game developers some time to learn the PS3, then developing a game will take time. The PS3 will be a Blu-Ray Disc player right out of the box. PS3 will be the biggest selling console, by far, again. This is a significant win for the Blu-Ray format. Remember the PS2 greatly helped the DVD format take off. I know my first DVD player was the PS2. So were a lot of peoples' first DVD players. A lot of peoples' first Blue Ray player will be the PS3.

And let's even forget what wins, Blu-Ray or HD DVD. The fact remains that PS3 will have Blu-Ray game discs and Xbox 360 will NOT have HD DVD game discs. When this happens, the PS3 games will be a ton better than the Xbox 360 games. PS3 really will be the next gen machine. Xbox 360 will not be at all.

[tonytucker]

3to 5 Years

Some games do use at least half of that 8.5 gigs. Otherwise any game would fit on a DVD5 disc, and some games don't without compression. So, you're wrong.

And of course games aren't going to use more than 8.5 gigs now. They can't. Duh. The PS3 will make them able to. Of course not at first. probably not even the first year that the PS3 is on the market. It'll take game developers some time to learn the PS3, then developing a game will take time. The PS3 will be a Blu-Ray Disc player right out of the box. PS3 will be the biggest selling console, by far, again. This is a significant win for the Blu-Ray format. Remember the PS2 greatly helped the DVD format take off. I know my first DVD player was the PS2. So were a lot of peoples' first DVD players. A lot of peoples' first Blue Ray player will be the PS3.

And let's even forget what wins, Blu-Ray or HD DVD. The fact remains that PS3 will have Blu-Ray game discs and Xbox 360 will NOT have HD DVD game discs. When this happens, the PS3 games will be a ton better than the Xbox 360 games. PS3 really will be the next gen machine. Xbox 360 will not be at all.

I have read reports saying that it will be 3 to 5 years before the game developers will be able to use all this CPU technology properly. These CPUs are going to be very hard for the game designers to work with. In the short term, a more simple processor would have been better I have heard.
Later brother brologs.

[tonytucker]

Mistake

Nope the Xbox360 is powered by 3 IBM PowerPC(Like the G5 mac) Cores running at 3.2ghz.

Yes ofcourse you are right! It was the first Xbox that had the Pentium3 733MHZ, I was confused.
Later brother brologs.

[masterdirector]

It won't take any 3-5 years. Game developers have already been getting PS3 kits. Why would it take 3-5 years before they start developing games? That's not true. Come on, 1-2 years they'll be making higher end games. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Say it takes 10 years though, the fact remains that the PS3 will be better anyhow, regardless of Blu-Ray tech, and they will eventually be able to have that much space for games, so games will eventually be made close to that size. Xbox360 games will never be made to that size. This is confirmed from Xbox itself.

[tonytucker]

Indeed

It won't take any 3-5 years. Game developers have already been getting PS3 kits. Why would it take 3-5 years before they start developing games? That's not true. Come on, 1-2 years they'll be making higher end games. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Say it takes 10 years though, the fact remains that the PS3 will be better anyhow, regardless of Blu-Ray tech, and they will eventually be able to have that much space for games, so games will eventually be made close to that size. Xbox360 games will never be made to that size. This is confirmed from Xbox itself.

Yes you are making very good sense and stable logic.There are many game developers however that are claiming that of the 2 consoles, the Xbox360 will be the more developer friendly.
Later brother brologs.

[masterdirector]

Yes you are making very good sense and stable logic.There are many game developers however that are claiming that of the 2 consoles, the Xbox360 will be the more developer friendly.
Later brother brologs.

of course it is, it's an inferior machine. developer friendliness has little to do with it though I think. They'll go where the big money is, and that'll be Sony. It'd be nice if GTA 4 is in Blu-Ray format, but I kinda doubt it.

[tonytucker]

Reasons

One must remember that there is a reason why virtually all PC games are not using the Multithreading even though the PCs have had multicore arangements for many years. It's because, on a fundamental level, programming multithreaded applications which do the kinds of things games do is a HUGE ****ING PAIN IN THE ASS.
Later brother brologs.

[masterdirector]

yeah but the PC gaming market isn't as strong as the console gaming market, clearly. If the demand was there, they'd do it. And with PCs, you can always still upgrade graphics cards and stuff. Consoles, what you get is what you get (unless you count the Sega 32x).

I'm not arguing that it isn't harder programming. Absolutely, it has to be. And the developers have to catch up to the technology. But they're more conditioned to catching up to the technology now. Games are big business right now, so these companies can hire more programmers, meaning more teams, to work on the same amount of games. That'll almost definitely mean a rise in the cost of purchasing the games, but it'll eventually level out on that end when demand catches up.

[tonytucker]

Omg Multiple Corezzz

Sony and MS were too busy *****eting how great it was they have OMG OMG MULTIPLE COREZZZ on their console designs to realize that developers, who make the actual games, like it when consoles are easy to program for so they can make games.
Later brother brologs.

[tonytucker]

To Much Money

yeah but the PC gaming market isn't as strong as the console gaming market, clearly. If the demand was there, they'd do it. And with PCs, you can always still upgrade graphics cards and stuff. Consoles, what you get is what you get (unless you count the Sega 32x).

I'm not arguing that it isn't harder programming. Absolutely, it has to be. And the developers have to catch up to the technology. But they're more conditioned to catching up to the technology now. Games are big business right now, so these companies can hire more programmers, meaning more teams, to work on the same amount of games. That'll almost definitely mean a rise in the cost of purchasing the games, but it'll eventually level out on that end when demand catches up.

Please don't tell me I have to pay more money for these games..they are already expensive enough! You are right though, the software developers need to catch up with the hardware now. Software developers are not as good as they used to be. They could do far better things with what they had to work with in the old days. Look back at what a good programmer could do on something like the ZX81 and compare it to what they can do on an Athlon64. One can clearly see that the true art of programming has fallen by the wayside, and been replaced by a bunch of half-assed code monkeys!
Later brother brologs.
P.S I read where they said that the Xbox 360s CPU will only give about twice the performance of the first Xboxes 733MHZ Intel CPU!