Upgrade Tyson Fury's Power and Speed Mechanics!

[Redd Foxx]

Punching power is the one attribute in boxing that literally seems to be a gift from a higher place

Complete nonsense. It's called "the science" for a reason. People who don't understand the physics behind it will claim power is some unknown phenomena. You can literally see the characteristics of powerful punchers. You can also see notoriously light punchers implement powerful punches on occasion by changing how they throw that punch.

It's not a mystery.

I myself spent years struggling with the left hook. Thinking I had a soft left hook. Simply changing a couple small things dramatically changed that. Muscle fiber composition is a very small factor in comparison to technique. Technique is a greatly misunderstood aspect but it's everything in boxing. It's the physics part of "the science".

[AlexKid]

Complete nonsense. It's called "the science" for a reason. People who don't understand the physics behind it will claim power is some unknown phenomena. You can literally see the characteristics of powerful punchers. You can also see notoriously light punchers implement powerful punches on occasion by changing how they throw that punch.

It's not a mystery.

I myself spent years struggling with the left hook. Thinking I had a soft left hook. Simply changing a couple small things dramatically changed that. Muscle fiber composition is a very small factor in comparison to technique. Technique is a greatly misunderstood aspect but it's everything in boxing. It's the physics part of "the science".

now that amir khan punch that was perfect kinetic linking u can tell by the suddenness, if fury can get that form hed be the puncher he wants to be, hes fast too and with that kind of form which isnt too far off for him, hed be not just the best guy on the planet but also he would have that big dong/big punch (more KO's) respect

[Redd Foxx]

now that amir khan punch that was perfect kinetic linking u can tell by the suddenness, if fury can get that form hed be the puncher he wants to be, hes fast too and with that kind of form which isnt too far off for him, hed be not just the best guy on the planet but also he would have that big dong/big punch (more KO's) respect

Yea, agreed. You can see what Khan was doing with his body there and it involved the entire body. Fury has gotten by pretty well doing what he does but he also nearly got ktfo so more power wouldn't hurt.

[AlexKid]

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yea anotehr problem I see is hes not putting his body weight into it well the torque is sub optimal in form .

But shes showing his speed in this video.

But yea if he turns his leg in more he will get better form, you can shoot from the hip but its lousy no body weight or you can shoot from the entire leg and hip and that gets all your body weight going in properly like a thai kick, you can still keep the feet in place so long as you turn the leg in and dont just shoot from the hip rotate the leg too.

With a thai kick you turn the whole leg over with the hip, its teh same thing, but in boxing your feet can stay planted/rooted for extra power but if you dont watch it you stop turning the leg in when you do that, which equals far less power, if your feet stay planted you can still turn most of the leg in and should!

I think thats the 2nd most important problem to fix, here he is using ideal kinetic linking and u can see the speed increase, but has poor torque form.

So that giant weight and mass isnt going into his opponent most of it isnt

[AlexKid]

Its funny I watch his trainer say go like this and he makes his shoulders turn fully but that doesnt tell Fury anything about how to do that properly, training on power mechanics is so limited I think.

Obviously a good trainer but even world class trainers dont really know whats going on fully and so cant teach very effectively

All they can do is say go like this twist the foot and so on thats IT, if you cant do that very well your fcuked for a good long time and its slow progress until good form, and u may never get it

[Rusty Tromboni]

His uncle trains his students to fight defensively, and that's it.

They do it wonderfully, but that's all they can do.

Davison probably isn't that good a trainer, but he keeps Tyson fit and motivated.

A Gil Clancy, or Ray Arcel or Dundee would give you a much more complete product.

Really, I don' think Fury needs offense. But it would make his life sooo much easier if he adopted it. Wilder, for one, could be defused without the risk of going rounds and rounds, and rounds of walking a tightrope. As he ages, and his reflexes fade, he can keep himself relevant by imposing his size.

He just doesn't know how to throw punches, or even get himself into position. I'm sure he could learn very quickly, but he doesn't seem to be interested in acquiring that sort of trainer.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Complete nonsense. It's called "the science" for a reason. People who don't understand the physics behind it will claim power is some unknown phenomena. You can literally see the characteristics of powerful punchers. You can also see notoriously light punchers implement powerful punches on occasion by changing how they throw that punch.

It's not a mystery.

I myself spent years struggling with the left hook. Thinking I had a soft left hook. Simply changing a couple small things dramatically changed that. Muscle fiber composition is a very small factor in comparison to technique. Technique is a greatly misunderstood aspect but it's everything in boxing. It's the physics part of "the science".

You have probably still got a soft left hook 'I understand the science very well'.

If you have not been gifted with the raw talented to be a puncher, you will never be a big puncher. 'This is not nonsense it is common sense'.

So are you trying to tell me, Tyson Fury can suddenly become one of the heavyweight divisions top power punchers 'If it is just a case of applying science?' You honestly don't know what you are talking about, and I believe you are just disagreeing with me to look smart on this subject.

Punchers REAL punchers can punch regardless at times. Yes of course if non-punchers perfect their technique they will improve abit, I am not denying that 'But they are not suddenly going to transform themselves into devastating punchers'. People who study boxing, know this to be the truth deep down.

You can manufacture a lot of things in sport, but there are certain attributes that you cannot manufacture so easily. Specifically within boxing, becoming a power puncher is one of the attributes that cannot be manufactured 'And it is very difficult to improve vastly'.

Punching is a plyo-metric activity, which involves YOUR nervous system being very efficient and having the ability to recruit as many muscle fibers in a very short amount of time, then turning that force generated from them muscle fibers into force 'And applying it in a instant' Yes technique can help with the application of these forces, but it is not suddenly going to turn a fighter into a devastating puncher.

'And then we have things such as Tendon and ligament attachments, they are like coiled springs and they store and release elastic energy, all of this effects the ability to generate and apply force' High muscle attachments etc There is also a psychological element, and a unnatural believe in ones ability that punchers have over other fighters.

Opponents when they face a opponent who is regarded as a power puncher know they are dealing with a different kind of threat, that at some point they are going to deal with.

Note: Fighters such as Amir Khan & Chris Eubank Junior have abit more natural ability as punchers than Tyson Fury.

[Redd Foxx]

Funny how quickly you got frustrated and tried to turn it personal. Speaks to the quality of your argument.
Nobody believes that silly, antiquated shyt anymore. We know how the body works and how power is generated. No one would ever be caught dead talking nonsense like that in a gym. It's only in online forums with the flat earth shyt.

You have probably still got a soft left hook 'I understand the science very well'.

If you have not been gifted with the raw talented to be a puncher, you will never be a big puncher. 'This is not nonsense it is common sense'.

So are you trying to tell me, Tyson Fury can suddenly become one of the heavyweight divisions top power punchers 'If it is just a case of applying science?' You honestly don't know what you are talking about, and I believe you are just disagreeing with me to look smart on this subject.

Punchers REAL punchers can punch regardless at times. Yes of course if non-punchers perfect their technique they will improve abit, I am not denying that 'But they are not suddenly going to transform themselves into devastating punchers'. People who study boxing, know this to be the truth deep down.

You can manufacture a lot of things in sport, but there are certain attributes that you cannot manufacture so easily. Specifically within boxing, becoming a power puncher is one of the attributes that cannot be manufactured 'And it is very difficult to improve vastly'.

Punching is a plyo-metric activity, which involves YOUR nervous system being very efficient and having the ability to recruit as many muscle fibers in a very short amount of time, then turning that force generated from them muscle fibers into force 'And applying it in a instant' Yes technique can help with the application of these forces, but it is not suddenly going to turn a fighter into a devastating puncher.

'And then we have things such as Tendon and ligament attachments, they are like coiled springs and they store and release elastic energy, all of this effects the ability to generate and apply force' High muscle attachments etc There is also a psychological element, and a unnatural believe in ones ability that punchers have over other fighters.

Opponents when they face a opponent who is regarded as a power puncher know they are dealing with a different kind of threat, that at some point they are going to deal with.

Note: Fighters such as Amir Khan & Chris Eubank Junior have abit more natural ability as punchers than Tyson Fury.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Nobody believes that silly, antiquated shyt anymore. We know how the body works and how power is generated. No one would ever be caught dead talking nonsense like that in a gym. It's only in online forums with the flat earth shyt.

You have just come at me, as if I did not understand the science 'I have just told you the science' At no point in this thread have you, transferred any scientific knowledge, or even positioned your own theories 'I have done both' You have attempted to catch me out, mock and demean what I have stated. I will walk in any gym and repeat exactly what I have just stated to any person, I will explain to them that punching is a Plyo-metric activity. Therefore a fighter must have the ability to recruit a large number of muscle fibers in a incredible short amount of time 'And then apply that force generated from them muscle fibers, into the application of force/speed'.

If a fighter does not have the ability or bio-mechanical and physiological strengths to do this? They are not going to produce a powerful punch, that is ultimately the science behind punching. But if we all want to take this a step further, I will take it a step further? As I briefly touched upon Tendons/Ligaments and muscle attachments. Tendons are like coiled springs which store and release elastic energy that is why fighters with vividly high muscle attachments like Thomas 'Hearns & Deontay Wilder, seemed to have wipping punchers 'And these fighters appeared to wind and release their punchers, elastic energy coupled with the force generated from muscle fibers' I.E Basketball players, Longer/Triple Jumpers for example produce high amounts of elastic energy.

There are a lot of areas which potentially effect the ability to punch, we also have things such as power to weight ratio. I have not discounted that technique plays a part in the ability to punch, but that alone is not going to suddenly transform a fighter into a devastating puncher. 'Timothy Bradley is a fighter with great punching technique, but he is still not a devastating puncher, Manny Pacquaio does not really have outstanding punching technique, but he is still a devastating puncher' These are real life examples which prove that technique is not the defining factor which is going to produce a powerful puncher.

Punchers are not made just like 100m sprinters, and arguable Olympic Weight Lifters in some aspects that raw talent is something they are born with 'And then of course it needs to be nurtured'. There is a psychological element in all sports and life itself, anybody who discounts this is being quite dismissive and arrogant in my opinion.

I entered into this thread under the premises that punchers can punch regardless, and technique is not going to transform a non-puncher into a devastating puncher 'But yes it can help improve the application of force but not by vast amounts' also due to how fighters are built every-bodies technique will be different, Tyson Fury is going to have a difficult time trying to emulate Mike Tyson's mechanical movements.

[AlexKid]

I think trainers and world class trainers the world over , say twist the foot, do it like this, do this motion, do it like that, and then students the world over go I am nothings happening and then the trainers say practice more, and thats it there's no explanation of exactly whats happening why and how to get from here to their quickly and efficiently

World class - Do this! "Cant!" Keep going....