Bodybuilding to Boxing?

[Zach778]

Whats up guys im new to the forum and just wanted to get some info

Im a 21 year old ex collegiate football player, ive played sports most of my life and have always wanted to try boxing. My question is how do i go about losing all te muscle mass I have built from football to compete in boxing? I played free safety so im still relatively lean just not as lean as a boxer would be. I would like to fight in the middleweight division and i feel as though without weights thats where my body would be naturally im 6'1 about 200 right now. I started running 3 miles a day this week accompanied with some jump roping rounds and abs.

[Hougigo]

Sorry, I don't have an answer, but you can try directing your question in the training/nutrition forum here:
//krikya360.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6

I'm sure they'll have an answer there

[gaz26]

Whats up guys im new to the forum and just wanted to get some info

Im a 21 year old ex collegiate football player, ive played sports most of my life and have always wanted to try boxing. My question is how do i go about losing all te muscle mass I have built from football to compete in boxing? I played free safety so im still relatively lean just not as lean as a boxer would be. I would like to fight in the middleweight division and i feel as though without weights thats where my body would be naturally im 6'1 about 200 right now. I started running 3 miles a day this week accompanied with some jump roping rounds and abs.

Hey u have to look t it a few ways, does the extra mass add to power?? does it hinder speed??? will losing the weight affect ur punch resistance??? do you as a natural middle weight feel as though you can take punches of naturally bigger guys for example light heavy weight?? i'd say that super middle or light heavy is more of a target range now, can't see losing enough to get to middle beign any good for u, it depends on ur muscle gains..are they mostly sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar?? sarcoplasmic gains are moslt glycogen uptake and water and that is the muscle that is lost quickly and easily gained back, ppl think it is hydration levels that are manipulated when losing or gaining 20lbs to make weight and gain an advantage, while it is true, it is infact using stored muscle glycogen that plays the biggest part (though 1 gram of stored glycogen holds around 4 grams of stored water in the muscle dehydrating won't lose as much weight or mass as muscle glycogen depletion and dehydration) this means u could lose 25lbs if u know what u are doing and have the muscle mass to lose that amount, weigh in at 175lbs, then carb load/hyperhydrate all the way back up top 200lbs and go for the weight advantage, the opposite would be lose weight and walk around a lot lighter but that would more than likely mean depleted glycogen and hydration and effect punch resistance think Roy jones losing muscle and going back down, it ruined him, plus he was using compounds....it depends on how long you have been carrying the muscle, do you have to force you body to keep the weight on by eating a lot more than the average person would....myofibrillar muscle is actual thickening and growing of muscle fibres and occurs from more of a power lifting and will stick to u and refuse to budge unless u really starve ur self over a long period , while power lifting and bodybuilding style training add both myo and sarco gains, body building tends to add more sarco gains, and power lifting more dense/solid gains not as bloated/pumped puffy/watery gains....for example if u have a week or two off weights when u body build u lose a lot of size immediately that is the drop off in stored glycogen and water, lose that fullness, pumped feeling and look, but power lifters rep ranges and stress on the muscle while heavier isn't as intense, the gains are long term actual tissue thickening and will notice hardly any lost fullness or size over the course a a short period from training.....also speed, endurance might be negatively affecting u, maybe it improves your endurance, you have to consider things like that but i'd focus on the ability to lose and gain back the majority of what u have, i don't know if ur lean 200lbs or carrying 18% BF.....but u might not have to drop down to a walking around Middle weight and risk losing strength , punch resistance etc...does it add power?? do u hit harder since u gained weight, adding speed to current mass adds power, or adding mass to current speed adds power, but we know that isn't the full story ( acceleration/ kinetic energy) i will say if i was a natural middle weight i would not want to gain muscle and go fighting natural 200lb'ers, not just taking the punches of them, but can't see the gains increasing my fire power enough to make it a level playing field...sorry about the long winded reply

[jas]

ask roy jones

[BoxingGenius27]

Hey u have to look t it a few ways, does the extra mass add to power?? does it hinder speed??? will losing the weight affect ur punch resistance??? do you as a natural middle weight feel as though you can take punches of naturally bigger guys for example light heavy weight?? i'd say that super middle or light heavy is more of a target range now, can't see losing enough to get to middle beign any good for u, it depends on ur muscle gains..are they mostly sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar?? sarcoplasmic gains are moslt glycogen uptake and water and that is the muscle that is lost quickly and easily gained back, pp think it is hydration levels that are manipulated when losing or gaining 20lbs to make weight and gain an advantage, while it is true, it is infact using stored muscle glycogen that plays the biggest part (though 1 gram of stored glycogen holds around 4 grams of stored water int he muscle dehydrating won't lose as much weight or mass as muscle glycogen depletion and dehydration) this means u could lose 25lbs if u know what u are doing and have the muscle mass to lose that amount, weigh in at 175lbs, then carb load/hyperhydrate all the way back up top 200lbs and go for the weight advantage, the opposite would be lose weight and walk around a lot lighter but that would more than likely mean depleted glycogen and hydration and effect punch resistance think Roy jones losing muscle and going back down, it ruined him, plus he was using compounds....it depends on how long you have been carrying the muscle, do you have to force you body to keep the weight on by eating a lot more than the average person would....myofibrillar muscle is actual thickening and growing of muscle fibres and occurs from more of a power lifting and will stick to u and refuse to budge unless u really starve ur self over a long period , while power lifting and bodybuilding style training add both myo and sarco gains, body building tends to add more sarco gains, and power lifting more dense/solid gains not as bloated/pumped puffy/watery gains....for example if u have a week or two off weights when u body build u lose a lot of size immediately that is the drop off in stored glycogen and water, lose that fullness, pumped feeling and look, but power lifters rep ranges and stress on the muscle while heavier isn't as intense and long term and will notice hardly any lost fullness or size over the course a a short period from training.....also speed, endurance might be negatively affecting u, maybe it improves your endurance, you have to consider things like that but i'd focus on the abilty to lose and gain back the majority of what u have, i don't know if ur lean 200lbs or carrying 18% BF.....but u might not have to drop down to a walking around Middle weight and risk losing strength , punch resistance etc...does it add power?? do u hit harder since u gained weight, adding speed to current mass adds power, or adding mass to current speed adds power, but we know that isn't the full story ( acceleration/ kinetic energy) i will say if i was a natural middle weight i would not want to gain muscle and go fighting natural 200lb'ers, not just taking the punches of them, but can't see the gains increasing my fire power enough to make it a level playing field...sorry about the long winded reply

Pretty good break down.

Are you a trainer?

[AlexKid]

The body is plastic, ull be fine, keep up the endurance running, and dont eat like you used to when you were trying to bulk up (your diet and eating big may have become a habit which you may still be doing)

It takes time its a gradual process, but the body likes to return to its natural state.

With regards to roy he is a different case, you havnt been learning boxing all your life. So a big weight shift wont affect you like it did him.

[AlexKid]

Pretty good break down.

Are you a trainer?

I was the first one on forums to talk about myofibrillar hypertrophy and work out why some guys are big and not strong, and everyone copied it from me, just like everyone copied my projection come back.

Im the real deal. This guy is just an imitator.

Pisses me off, and no don't you dare use the projection come back on me!

[gaz26]

Thanks No, not a trainer (qualified personal trainer, though not boxing) but did body building for a few years when i was younger, got a power lifting cousin who i still train with and studied Bio Med science in Uni, and used the subject of PEDS and drugs in sports for my assignments and essays, u just get to learn how the body reacts and once you have learned the biology and biomechanics etc you put two and two together and a good idea of how and what the body does.

[gaz26]

Nice, how did your degrees go??

[AlexKid]

Thanks No, not a trainer (qualified personal trainer, though not boxing) but did body building for a few years when i was younger, got a power lifting cousin who i still train with and studied Bio Med science in Uni, and used the subject of PEDS and drugs in sports for my assignments and essays, u just get to learn how the body reacts and once you have learned the biology and biomechanics etc you put two and two together and a good idea of how and what the body does.

This guy think Roy was fast due to Roids, and that he shouldn't lead with the left hook.

I think Roy knows best, the truth is when his speed started to fade he should have quit, Roy wouldn't have been so good if he used the jab more, and boxed textbook, because Roy isnt normal and the text books dont apply to him as much. Whats optimal for a normal person isnt optimal for a super fast guy.

Don't mistake this tool for an intelligent guy.