I want to learn the OLD ways damn it!

[bklynboy]

My friends, family and co-workers think I'm nuts, they cannot even comprehend how I can do some of the physical things I do - but I know its not that big of a deal, (mainly because I have the sense to know I'm not a real fighter, any pro fighter is tougher than I am, those that pursue a professional fight career are of a different breed).

Just go work and figure it out - that to me is the "old" ways. There is no mystery to things like the old ways, turn off your television, phone, ipod, and computer and get to work. Then take a shower, read a book and get it on with your lady. That literally is the secret to life.

A champion gets up when he can't. (Dempsey) So you want to toughen up. Walk when you're tired. Do when you don't want to.

(Of course you have to know when not to overtrain. Something I really never learned.)

[Marchegiano]

Thank you all so much! I apologize for not paying closer attention to this thread. I am with my father in Germany presently getting cancer treatment for him. Please do not take my inactivity as a lack of dedication. Please keep in the information and criticisms coming. I have plenty to read and love to do it. I promise what your telling me, on both sides of the fence, is not falling on deaf ears. I respect you all for being fans and for taking the time to help a fellow fan. I'll be back in the states soon, and back to keeping up with all things boxing.

side note- The women of Hannover, Deutschland are beautiful I will come back with gloves on, and I will take one for my wife.

[Marchegiano]

The OP wasn't looking for technique, you didn't read his original post. Here's what he had to say:



See, the problem with this as I pointed out is that the videos you are showing, show SKILL off, subtle techniques that anyone can learn. Not everyone can be like Marciano....why? Because he had a God given gift of toughness, tenacity and relentlessness. You can work on speed, conditioning but how are you going to work on chin?

I know people think you can work on chin by strengthening the neck muscles but that only takes you so far. Chin is something you are born with.

It's great to admire the old timers and learn from them and be inspired by them but to think you can watch them and fight just like them, is leading yourself in someone else's path. Instead it's better to etch your own path in this world. Be the next YOU.

I feel like I was pretty clear on my clarifying post, but maybe not. I want to be more like Marciano then I am. You can tell me that it's impossible, but that's like telling me I'm already as close as possible...rubbish. I know I can be stronger, I know I can take more, I know I can hit harder, I know I can go longer. I take shot in the gym sometimes not because I had to, but because I saw it as an opportunity to test and train my chin. I already have improved my composer when hurt. I'm not asking if its possible. I'm in a gym, I know it's possible to improve ones constitution by the very basic experiment of letting guys hurt me first then fighting back. It does get easier. The point of what I'm asking for is tricks maybe even a trainer might not know. Or possibly reasons why being like Marciano won't work in today's boxing. Again to clarify I do not want to emulate Marciano I want be as close to a bare knuckle ye old hard as hell bastard as possible and was sighting Marciano at the last guy to do so in my opinion. So it's only transitive that I want to be like him, you could also say I want to be like Sullivan and you'd be more to the point.

[bklynboy]

I feel like I was pretty clear on my clarifying post, but maybe not. I want to be more like Marciano then I am. You can tell me that it's impossible, but that's like telling me I'm already as close as possible...rubbish. I know I can be stronger, I know I can take more, I know I can hit harder, I know I can go longer. I take shot in the gym sometimes not because I had to, but because I saw it as an opportunity to test and train my chin. I already have improved my composer when hurt. I'm not asking if its possible. I'm in a gym, I know it's possible to improve ones constitution by the very basic experiment of letting guys hurt me first then fighting back. It does get easier. The point of what I'm asking for is tricks maybe even a trainer might not know. Or possibly reasons why being like Marciano won't work in today's boxing. Again to clarify I do not want to emulate Marciano I want be as close to a bare knuckle ye old hard as hell bastard as possible and was sighting Marciano at the last guy to do so in my opinion. So it's only transitive that I want to be like him, you could also say I want to be like Sullivan and you'd be more to the point.

Don't test your chin too much. :-) Once you KNOW you can take a punch don't go out of your way to take it. Those bumps and bruises you shrug off at 20 come back to bite you in the butt at 50.

[StarshipTrooper]

I feel like I was pretty clear on my clarifying post, but maybe not. I want to be more like Marciano then I am. You can tell me that it's impossible, but that's like telling me I'm already as close as possible...rubbish. I know I can be stronger, I know I can take more, I know I can hit harder, I know I can go longer. I take shot in the gym sometimes not because I had to, but because I saw it as an opportunity to test and train my chin. I already have improved my composer when hurt. I'm not asking if its possible. I'm in a gym, I know it's possible to improve ones constitution by the very basic experiment of letting guys hurt me first then fighting back. It does get easier. The point of what I'm asking for is tricks maybe even a trainer might not know. Or possibly reasons why being like Marciano won't work in today's boxing. Again to clarify I do not want to emulate Marciano I want be as close to a bare knuckle ye old hard as hell bastard as possible and was sighting Marciano at the last guy to do so in my opinion. So it's only transitive that I want to be like him, you could also say I want to be like Sullivan and you'd be more to the point.

Yeah, you aren't looking to emulate Marciano's fighting style per se it's more a matter of emulating that kind of toughness and endurance. The best advice I can give you is to read Dempsey's book and put it into practice.....also, a bit of Google searching can get you the training routines of some of those old timers: I know Bob Fitzsimmon's routine is out there.

While I'm dubious as to whether you can noticably improve your punching power or chin (those are innate traits as I see it: You're either born with it or you're not) you can certainly build your toughness and ability to take punishment (a lot of that is mental).

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

I did find a snippet:
Bob Fitzsimmons Training
(Taken from the Mirror of Life, 1897)

Fitzsimmons is a marvel in point of endurance. He is accustomed to take a certain amount of exercise whether he is matched to fight or not.

Fitz is a great walker. Twenty miles for an appetizer is a daily event with him. This is at a gait which verges upon a run. It was this sort of training which used to surprise the early morning visitors to Central Park in New York just prior to his departure to Carson City.

In company with Yaroum, his big canine pet, he would start from the Bartholdi Hotel at Twenty-third Street and Broadway, dash up Fifth Avenue, the most fashionable thoroughfare of the metropolis with the Great Dane prancing ahead him. Around Central Park he would go and then back to the hotel for a rubdown and an hour with the punching bag.

The training which Fitz believes in differs from training the training of the average fighter. First of all he trains himself. He takes his own advice and regulates his own work and diet.

"I'll do no more 18 or 20 mile runs" he said in his initial week's work. "I'll start off and run six or eight miles and then I'll walk back at a good nice gait. Next day I'll walk out my distance and run back. Another day I'll run a mile and walk a mile, alternating for 10 or 15 miles. Another day I'll follow the telegraph poles. I'll run at a top speed between two poles, then walk between the next two".

According to his friends, Fitzsimmons is the possessor of no bad habits. Fitzsimmons has wisely remarked that if he couldn't keep himself straight with the prospect of a fortune before him no trainer could. Fitz had a visitor one time who wanted to know all about his mode of training. All Fitzsimmons did was to hand him the following schedule:

6.30am - Rises, bathes, dresses.
7.00 - Sherry and egg
7.05 to 8.15 - Rides on bicycle (15 Miles)
8.15 - Breakfast
9.30 - Goes 15 miles afoot
11.30 - Has rubdown and rests
1.00pm - Dinner
3.00 - Works in gymnasium
5.00 - Showerbath and rubdown
6.00 - Supper
8.00,9.00,10.00,11.00 - Bed

In the October 12 edition of the Dallas Morning News, it was reported that Fitz, after an ocean swim, a walk, a romp with Pat - his two hundred pound St Bernard, and some wood splitting, settled down to a breakfast table usually stocked with "oatmeal, muffins, steak, chops or chicken. He does not believe in diet or special foods." After exercising and a cold sponge bath there was a hearty dinner of "every vegetable the markets far and near can produce. These are flanked by generouis roasts of beef, mutton and pork."

[Suckmedry]

"7:00, Sherry and Egg"

[StarshipTrooper]

"7:00, Sherry and Egg"

I'm not sure the diet part is something he wants to emulate :hah9: Then again, red wine is supposed to be good for the heart so go figure :chuckle9:

Poet

[killsomething]

I did find a snippet:
Bob Fitzsimmons Training
(Taken from the Mirror of Life, 1897)

Fitzsimmons is a marvel in point of endurance. He is accustomed to take a certain amount of exercise whether he is matched to fight or not.

Fitz is a great walker. Twenty miles for an appetizer is a daily event with him. This is at a gait which verges upon a run. It was this sort of training which used to surprise the early morning visitors to Central Park in New York just prior to his departure to Carson City.

In company with Yaroum, his big canine pet, he would start from the Bartholdi Hotel at Twenty-third Street and Broadway, dash up Fifth Avenue, the most fashionable thoroughfare of the metropolis with the Great Dane prancing ahead him. Around Central Park he would go and then back to the hotel for a rubdown and an hour with the punching bag.

The training which Fitz believes in differs from training the training of the average fighter. First of all he trains himself. He takes his own advice and regulates his own work and diet.

"I'll do no more 18 or 20 mile runs" he said in his initial week's work. "I'll start off and run six or eight miles and then I'll walk back at a good nice gait. Next day I'll walk out my distance and run back. Another day I'll run a mile and walk a mile, alternating for 10 or 15 miles. Another day I'll follow the telegraph poles. I'll run at a top speed between two poles, then walk between the next two".

According to his friends, Fitzsimmons is the possessor of no bad habits. Fitzsimmons has wisely remarked that if he couldn't keep himself straight with the prospect of a fortune before him no trainer could. Fitz had a visitor one time who wanted to know all about his mode of training. All Fitzsimmons did was to hand him the following schedule:

6.30am - Rises, bathes, dresses.
7.00 - Sherry and egg
7.05 to 8.15 - Rides on bicycle (15 Miles)
8.15 - Breakfast
9.30 - Goes 15 miles afoot
11.30 - Has rubdown and rests
1.00pm - Dinner
3.00 - Works in gymnasium
5.00 - Showerbath and rubdown
6.00 - Supper
8.00,9.00,10.00,11.00 - Bed

In the October 12 edition of the Dallas Morning News, it was reported that Fitz, after an ocean swim, a walk, a romp with Pat - his two hundred pound St Bernard, and some wood splitting, settled down to a breakfast table usually stocked with "oatmeal, muffins, steak, chops or chicken. He does not believe in diet or special foods." After exercising and a cold sponge bath there was a hearty dinner of "every vegetable the markets far and near can produce. These are flanked by generouis roasts of beef, mutton and pork."

I think my favorite boxer may have just become my idol. That's some pretty smart training considering how backward I normally assume old school boxers were in their training.

[Marchegiano]

Yeah, you aren't looking to emulate Marciano's fighting style per se it's more a matter of emulating that kind of toughness and endurance. The best advice I can give you is to read Dempsey's book and put it into practice.....also, a bit of Google searching can get you the training routines of some of those old timers: I know Bob Fitzsimmon's routine is out there.

While I'm dubious as to whether you can noticably improve your punching power or chin (those are innate traits as I see it: You're either born with it or you're not) you can certainly build your toughness and ability to take punishment (a lot of that is mental).

Poet

exactly, I appreciate the input, and effort. I'll let you know how it plays out for me.