Hi Phenom,
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'For creatine strength, say an person with a perfect replica took creatine and lifted and the other lifted w/o it. Its possible when coming off creatine to lose some strength but the strength you are left with would be more than the person who did not take it all, that seems to be the case/consensus at least. It is an unnatural way of getting it but then it would seem that you wouldn't want to use protein supplements either. Supplements allow you to get what you want in a concentrated form and for things like protein, without the unwanted extras (no fat and so on). I do however understand what you're saying .'
I must admit, I dont use protein shakes either but I dont give them quite the same prejudice, creatine seems to offer more on the performance front, almost an edge that you couldn't get without it. Protein will just build muscle for as long as you've trained the muscle hard before consuming it.
I am a little old fashioned, I've got where I am without creatine and dont feel that my running times, the weights I lift or punch power are down to anything other than hard work and conscientous diet. I wouldn't want to think 'I wont get my bench press as good as last month because I cant afford my creatine this payday because its my wife's birthday'.
I've also known gym newbies fly up the weights with creatine at a ridiculously fast pace, then stop using it because it was too expensive and become dejected at the slowing of improvement or drop in performance. Some of these guys gave up training shortly after.
Its the old gambler's paradox. You'll often find that someone who has had an easy win or a cash windfall blows/wastes the money as quickly as they won it. If you work hard for your money you'll appreciate the benefits/treats more. Likewise, if you train hard without gimmicks/fads or easy solutions you'll appreciate the effort and results that much more and have more pride in your fitness. You'll also be more likely continue to train to maintain the fitness you've worked hard to attain.
I'm glad we see each others side though. I could have had a load of angry urine test dodging bodybuilders crash the thread. Hee hee
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'For creatine strength, say an person with a perfect replica took creatine and lifted and the other lifted w/o it. Its possible when coming off creatine to lose some strength but the strength you are left with would be more than the person who did not take it all, that seems to be the case/consensus at least. It is an unnatural way of getting it but then it would seem that you wouldn't want to use protein supplements either. Supplements allow you to get what you want in a concentrated form and for things like protein, without the unwanted extras (no fat and so on). I do however understand what you're saying .'
I must admit, I dont use protein shakes either but I dont give them quite the same prejudice, creatine seems to offer more on the performance front, almost an edge that you couldn't get without it. Protein will just build muscle for as long as you've trained the muscle hard before consuming it.
I am a little old fashioned, I've got where I am without creatine and dont feel that my running times, the weights I lift or punch power are down to anything other than hard work and conscientous diet. I wouldn't want to think 'I wont get my bench press as good as last month because I cant afford my creatine this payday because its my wife's birthday'.
I've also known gym newbies fly up the weights with creatine at a ridiculously fast pace, then stop using it because it was too expensive and become dejected at the slowing of improvement or drop in performance. Some of these guys gave up training shortly after.
Its the old gambler's paradox. You'll often find that someone who has had an easy win or a cash windfall blows/wastes the money as quickly as they won it. If you work hard for your money you'll appreciate the benefits/treats more. Likewise, if you train hard without gimmicks/fads or easy solutions you'll appreciate the effort and results that much more and have more pride in your fitness. You'll also be more likely continue to train to maintain the fitness you've worked hard to attain.
I'm glad we see each others side though. I could have had a load of angry urine test dodging bodybuilders crash the thread. Hee hee
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