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    Originally posted by K-DOGG
    ....Right, okay. Here we go; this is how I see their initial math of three.

    The factors to consider in this match-up are speed differential and height difference as well as flaws in both fighter's make-up. Mike had much faster hands than Lewis; but Lewis also had a tremendous reach advantage and was physically much stronger than Mike, which would help him tremendously on the inside in preventing Mike from unleashing those blazingly fast combinations. Also, Mike would have to get past those long arms of Lennox's. Weaknesses: Mike was prone to fall into clinches once his momentum spent itself in the first 4 to 5 rounds. Lennox had a tendency to be lazy with his jab and wasn't a great infighter.

    Mike would come out, guns blazing, looking to take Lewis's head off; Mike never heard of the concept of a "feeling out process" and Lewis would be ready for this, keeping his left extended, trying to keep Mike at the end of it and catch him coming in with that big right. Mike, realizing he couldn't just walk in to pay-dirt, would begin bobbing and weaving, looking for opportunities to launch a four punch combo. Seeing Lewis's exposed ribs, Mike would begin pounding away and as Lewis attempts to grab, Mike squats lower, under his arms, and leaps up a couple of shots that just miss before Lennox folds those huge arms around him. Mike would be pounding Lewis's side with his free hand...probably the right...until Mitch Halpern separtates the two.

    The first three rounds would pretty much follow this pattern, with Mike occasionally landing on Lennox's head and rocking the big man enough to where Lewis would be forced to tie him up. Lennox would find Mike next to impossible to hit, early on; but would keep Mike at bay off and on with a snappy jab. Lewis would then begin working Mike's body a little in order to slow his movement down. Going to Mike's body, however, leaves Mike an opening to Lewis's jaw and sooner or later, he'd hurt Lennox; but remember, THIS Lewis is prepared to be hit and hurt, unlike the ones who underestimated Rahman and McCall. Lewis, when hurt, would alternately tie up his opponent and fire back with some stout stuff of his own as he did against Mercer.

    The argument can be made that Lewis would be the one ahead in the scoring by round 5; but I don't think so. Tony Tucker was as big as Lewis; but was younger and throwing more punches in his early rounds against Mike...and that Mike was younger and less experienced than the one we're using. Lewis would be biding his time, trying to gradually get Mike to fight his fight, rather than fighting Mikes. By the fifth, Mike's head movement would only be sporadic and Lewis would begin catching him coming in. Lewis wouldn't be able to throw any pitty-pat punches with Mike though, or he could be countered as he was earlier. He'd have to get Mike's respect and land something solid and odds are sometime between rounds 3 and 5, one of those big shots of Lewis's would connect on Mike's head, which would cause him to show a little more caution....and set the pace for the remainder of the bout.

    The middle-rounds would consist of Lewis getting back into the bout with solid jabs and right hands and uppercuts and then tying Mike up by the time he got inside. After a while though, Lewis would lose his focus and begin pushing his jab instead of snapping it, inviting an overhand right counter....which Mike would throw and land, stunning Lennox. Once Mike smells blood, his work-rate always increased automatically because he knew this was a chance to end things. However, he wouldn't end matters; but he would win the round.

    This pattern would repeat over the final rounds with Mike working Lewis's body on the inside and occassionaly ripping a shot upstairs; but rarely landing more than one at time because of Lewis's defensive expertise.

    In the end, Mike would win a close decision in their initial encounter....more or less on sheer aggression. Odds are Lennox would have stunned Mike on occassion somewhere in the middlerounds; but this Mike didn't quit...and would come back even stronger in the next round to get his respect back. So, it would be an exciting affari in which neithr of the the participants would hit the canvas, IMHO. Final score, probably something like Mike by two to three poins.


    Now, to keep it short...the rematch and the rubber-match would both go to Lewis based on his problem-solving skills. All of th mistakes he made in the first match, he would have corrected by the rematch, which would enable him to win either a pretty broad UD or by a late round stoppage. The third fight would resemble the second; but with Mike probably getting stopped or stopped sooner, depending upon how the second fight ended.


    That's how I see it, anyway. Sorry 'bout the length.
    WOW!!! Thats a good one. So Cinematic I have to convince myself that it never happened.

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      Originally posted by El Temible
      what fighter are you talkin about

      ''because lewis was never really good with handling punchers with fast hands.''


      tyson would not beat lennox lewis

      common your just a lewis nuthugger.. i saw you posting your nuthugging about lewis in the other topic...


      the speed and power of tyson will kill lewis

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        Originally posted by CloudJay
        common your just a lewis nuthugger.. i saw you posting your nuthugging about lewis in the other topic...


        the speed and power of tyson will kill lewis
        i aint a LL nuthugger at all , but when people make statements making no sense i wil stick up for LL


        your just another nutlicker of a rapist,woman-beating, foul mouthed,aggresive Mike Tyson

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          Originally posted by Mr_Ruckus
          WOW!!! Thats a good one. So Cinematic I have to convince myself that it never happened.

          Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.

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            Originally posted by Bogler
            don't worry about opinions on tyson on this board. most of those here who hate tyson or dont appreciate what he did in his prime are the youngins who weren't even alive or were babies when tyson was in his prime. they just remember the tyson under don king.

            yes, most don't remember that very, very very, short Prime that Tyson had that makes him the best of all time. Hell he even beat razor rud**** twice.

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              Lewis KO 9 imho

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                Originally posted by cpimp
                heres a jump start in seeing some tyson videos of the 80s i dont think u know who tyson is

                Mike Tyson vs Mitch Green

                Thank you for sharing this. For all those that think Lewis would KO a prime Mike so easily, just look at his defense in that 5th round, his head movement in that round was a thing of beauty. Yes, I know Mitch Green is no Lennox, but no fighter that Lennox ever fought on his weak resume was on the level of a prime Mike Tyson either. Also, take note of the sick fast combinations to the body. Lewis was too soft of a fighter to take that kind of punishment. I couls see Mike working Lewis' body good with those body shots, causing Lewis to expose his chin for a Tyson shot to the jaw, and we know what happens when Lewis gets a good shot to the jaw.

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                  Originally posted by K-DOGG
                  A friend of mine likes to do these things in threes; and on this occassion, I will use his tactic because I can see this both ways.

                  If we're talking "true prime", then we are talking about Tyson circa 1986-91; but with Rooney in his corner and Jaccob alive. Mike, as I've stated before and as your are alluding to, was not the most confident of fighters and needed that moral support to be at his best. He has said that after Jaccob died and Givens entered the picture, it all became about money. When he fought Spinks in 88, it was a chance for him to release all the pressure that had been building up from the outside because boxing wasn't "fun" anymore. For Mike to be at his absolute "best" we're going to have to find a Mike that actually enjoyed fighting and boxing and who loved paying attential to the most minute of details in the ring, whose strength was speed and elusiveness, and not just kayo power. The Tyson to use, would probably be the one that destroyed either Briggs or Holmes and maybe even Tubbs....although he'd just gotten married and Jaccobs was dying, it was still early on. Another important thing to remember was Rooney's ability to reel Tyson in and calm him down into fighting and help him re-focus when things weren't goint according to plan, as in his fights with Thomas and Tucker.

                  For Lewis, his prime, IMO would be somewhere between Tommy Morrison and David Tua....let's say the Golota fight. At this stage, he'd grown comfortable with his new trainer, Emmanuel Steward and had really smoothed out many of the bad habbits he'd developed under Pepe Correa and his previous trainer, whose name escapes me. The Lewis that boxed Morrison's ears off was a thing of beauty as he exposed Tommy's one-dimensionalness, and utilized a telephone-pole jab on more occassion than seen previously. Againt Ray Mercer, we saw the tougher side of Lennox Lewis, who was not afraid to mix it up and showed a street-wise toughness in addition to his superior boxing technique, even though he wasn't allowed by Mercer to fight at long range as he preferred to do. And, of course, against Golota, we saw a killer instinct that rivals Tyson's. He hurt his man with the first solid right hand he landed and proceeded to get him out of there. Sure, Golota has shown mental weakness in other fights; but, at the time, he was coming off two dominating performances over Lewis's Amercian counter-part, Rid**** Bowe, even without the low-blows. The Golota fight gave us all some perspective on "what could have happened" had he and Bowe have clashed.


                  Anyway, that's the criteria, I'm going to use.....back in a few.
                  I agree with most of it...BUT...
                  I dont see why people think Lewis was overconfident against McCall. McCall had stopped his last five opponents before Lewis and in that fight and Lewis simply got KO'd in the 2nd.
                  Im not sure why people talk about the McCall and Rahman losses as if they were the same fight.
                  Agaisnt Rahman Lewis was obviously lazy and not in good shape, but agaisnt McCall that wasnt the case.
                  But anyway, thats a different matter.

                  I finally saw the Mercer fight last night and Lewis didnt seem to know how to tie Mercer up. Mercer threw some good combinations at him yet Lewis chose to cover up and try and bob and weave instead of clinching. Against the devastating fast combinations of Tyson, targeting both the head and body with hooks and uppercuts, IMO Lewis would have been stopped.
                  And at range Lewis didnt land his jab with any intent, so i dont think it was Mercer who stopped him from fighting at range.
                  Also Lewis seemed very uncomfortable with the pressure Mercer applied.
                  Basically, im not sure wen Lewis was in his prime.
                  Either side of Golota he fought Briggs and Akimwande, who both hurt him. Wen he was younger he was faster and lighter, but less experienced.
                  Im not sure wen his prime was.
                  I also thought against Briggs he ran out of gas. Not sure if he could handle a young Tyson.
                  Last edited by The Noose; 08-29-2006, 12:53 PM.

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                    Lewis hit Mercer with some huge shots though, could Mike have taken those shots that Ray Mercer did? I find it hard to believe.

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                      Seriously guys, can we drop phrases like "nuthugger" back in the kindergarten where they belong, please?

                      And for the patronising poster who talks about people who only remember old Tyson, I remember the end of Ali's career, so I certainly remember prime Tyson...

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