The Myth of black decline and Eastern European dominance in boxing

[nubianpiye]

This thread was influenced by the Arum avoids black boxers post, and The Paulie Malignaggi comments that unfairly (in my opinion) led to his dismissal.

The narrative in boxing seems to be that Eastern Europeans now dominate boxing due in no part to fantastic fighters like Lomachenko and Beterbiev; however, in Boxing's 17 weight classes, we currently have 16 black champions of African descent whereas you currently have 8 champions of eastern European descent.

The Dominant nation is still America with 19 champions, and the United Kingdom, a tiny nation continues to punch above its weight with 6 champions despite having one-sixth the population of America.

Why does this myth of Eastern European dominance exist when they only have two more world champions than little Britain?

[kidbazooka]

Lol

Both are full of ****tt.

Latinos dominate boxing canelo is number one and the biggest star in boxing.

And with guys like Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia those two will more than likely be at the top of the p4p list and biggest attractions.

All those euro names you named no one out side of boxing knows them nor can pronounce there names so don’t know where that’s coming from lol

[nubianpiye]

Lol

Both are full of ****tt.

Latinos dominate boxing canelo is number one and the biggest star in boxing.

All those euro names you named no one out side of boxing knows them nor can pronounce there names so don’t know where that’s coming from lol

I love Latin fighters they are entertaining and action-packed my favorite fighters are Crawford Whyte and Canelo and I really hope Teo wins this weekend.

I didn't include Latino in the conversation because you can have Latino people of African descent and of European descent.

Rigo and Lara are champions in boxing both are of Latin descent both are also of African descent! When you get into that it gets confusing lol

[kidbazooka]

I love Latin fighters they are entertaining and action-packed my favorite fighters are Crawford Whyte and Canelo and I really hope Teo wins this weekend.

I didn't include Latino in the conversation because you can have Latino people of African descent and of European descent.

Rigo and Lara are champions in boxing both are of Latin descent both are also of African descent! When you get into that it gets confusing lol

I see thanks for explaining.

Right on.

[TMLT87]

Almost all top black boxers come from one country that accounts for maybe 5% of the global black population, and they're not even really "black" in the African sense, as a group black Americans are heavily admixed with European DNA in a way that makes them (and other slavery descent blacks) genetically distinct from African blacks.

[nubianpiye]

Almost all top black boxers come from one country that accounts for maybe 5% of the global black population, and they're not even really "black" in the African sense; as a group, black Americans are heavily admixed with European DNA in a way that makes them (and other slavery descent blacks) genetically distinct from African blacks.

This is not entirely true; in fact, boxing champions of African descent come from 8 different nations, including Canada, Cuba, Congo, United Kingdom, and South Africa. You may be right historically, but at the moment, the diaspora of fighters is spread globally; perhaps this is why the myth of a decline exists? Because previously, they all came from America?

[Citizen Koba]

This thread was influenced by the Arum avoids black boxers post, and The Paulie Malignaggi comments that unfairly (in my opinion) led to his dismissal.

The narrative in boxing seems to be that Eastern Europeans now dominate boxing due in no part to fantastic fighters like Lomachenko and Beterbiev; however, in Boxing's 17 weight classes, we currently have 16 black champions of African descent whereas you currently have 8 champions of eastern European descent.

The Dominant nation is still America with 19 champions, and the United Kingdom, a tiny nation continues to punch above its weight with 6 champions despite having one-sixth the population of America.

Why does this myth of Eastern European dominance exist when they only have two more world champions than little Britain?

Nah, this idea of Eastern European 'dominance' is just kinda wrong, what we've actually seen is more of a balancing out following the re-introduction of professional sports to a big chunk of the world that couldn't compete in pro boxing for many years.

What it's shown us is that boxing talent - or at least the potential for being a great boxer - ain't really got anything to do with ****** chit like 'race' or even political boundaries.

Me, I welcome it. The more diversity and the more nationalities involved in the sport the better. For me boxing's the perfect equaliser which shows time and again that human greatness, human will, determination and talent doesn't see colour or nationality or any of the other limitations that we humans create to divide ourselves.

[Watcherw1]

ask paulie malinagi

[nubianpiye]

Nah, this idea of Eastern European 'dominance' is just kinda wrong, what we've actually seen is more of a balancing out following the re-introduction of professional sports to a big chunk of the world that couldn't compete in pro boxing for many years.

What it's shown us is that boxing talent - or at least the potential for being a great boxer - ain't really got anything to do with ****** chit like 'race' or even political boundaries.

Me, I welcome it. The more diversity and the more nationalities involved in the sport the better. For me boxing's the perfect equaliser which shows time and again that human greatness, human will, determination and talent doesn't see colour or nationality or any of the other limitations that we humans create to divide ourselves.

Very good and accurate post, economic factors seem to have more of an impact than race 100% also culture British culture, for example, is all about having a fight whether at a football match or outside a pub which may be why they have a disproportionately high number of champions and world-class fighters

[nubianpiye]

To further illustrate the completely inaccurate nature of this theory including WBA Regualar Champions boxing has 85 World champions across all weight classes 17 is exactly 20% of this whereas eastern Europeans account for only 7% of all champions in boxing.