Comments Thread For: Alexander Povetkin Gets Off The Floor, Brutally Blasts Dillian Whyte in Five

[Toffee]

Who disputes the HW lineage now? I can’t find a single major org that tracks lineage dispute the current lineage

You said the highlighted for a reason so I’d like to hear that

Major Org, you mean TBRB and Ring? They're not crowning lineal Champions, they're crowning their own Champions.

To me the rules are that you beat the man and you stay active. If you retire, the lineage is open again even if you later come back. For that reason I don't have Lennox as the current lineal champion.

To come up with a new lineage you need to prove yourself the best of the current crop. Typically that's one v two.

If I don't accept they're the two best of the era then I don't accept the new lineage. Simple.

But they're my rules (and, yes, for others too). As valid as anyone else's seeing that there are no actual rules around this.

When the lineage gets broken it's only fixed with hindsight, when it's clear all lines clearly went through one person. Fury has the opportunity to do that. Just beat Joshua.

[techliam]

Major Org, you mean TBRB and Ring? They're not crowning lineal Champions, they're crowning their own Champions.

To me the rules are that you beat the man and you stay active. If you retire, the lineage is open again even if you later come back. For that reason I don't have Lennox as the current lineal champion.

To come up with a new lineage you need to prove yourself the best of the current crop. Typically that's one v two.

If I don't accept they're the two best of the era then I don't accept the new lineage. Simple.

But they're my rules (and, yes, for others too). As valid as anyone else's seeing that there are no actual rules around this.

When the lineage gets broken it's only fixed with hindsight, when it's clear all lines clearly went through one person. Fury has the opportunity to do that. Just beat Joshua.

TBRB follow their own rankings, but it is a lineal system. Same for CBZ. The rankings are the only separation here, so it is not as devolved as you’re claiming it to be

I don’t count the ring as they don’t use 1 vs 2 anymore. That is an example of a separate championship, not TBRB

Again, it’s disingenuous to say it’s debatable now if the only evidence you have to support is your own opinion

There is no debate. Fury is the lineal champion as recognised by virtually everyone who matters. He beat the no.2 in Wilder after Joshua was beaten. I don’t disagree that they need to fight, but trying to claim Fury isn’t (or even arguably isn’t) the lineal champion now is truly absurd

[Toffee]

TBRB follow their own rankings, but it is a lineal system. Same for CBZ. The rankings are the only separation here, so it is not as devolved as you’re claiming it to be

I don’t count the ring as they don’t use 1 vs 2 anymore. That is an example of a separate championship, not TBRB

Again, it’s disingenuous to say it’s debatable now if the only evidence you have to support is your own opinion

There is no debate. Fury is the lineal champion as recognised by virtually everyone who matters. He beat the no.2 in Wilder after Joshua was beaten. I don’t disagree that they need to fight, but trying to claim Fury isn’t (or even arguably isn’t) the lineal champion now is truly absurd

TBRB will follow lineal from now, but they were using their own criteria for ratings previously.

If I recall, TBRB didn't have Fury as champion prior to the Wilder rematch. So they're at least on board with me on that front.

They had Wilder v Fury II as 1 v 2. Okay. Wilder's best win was Ortiz and Fury's best result was a draw since returning from retirement. I don't think that tops a guy with a much better resume.

Don't forget they had Ruiz at 1 prior to Joshua beating him. For producing another best win among the current heavies Joshua only moved to 3. Behind the two guys with nothing of note on their 'current' resumes.

For me it's simple. No-one is clear at the top, it's still all up for grabs. All I know is that Fury is better than Wilder (and Schwarz, Wallin, Pianeta, and Seferi). Effectively we'd be crowning Fury off the back of beating a guy who's career best was beating a guy who had a good amateur career decades ago.

Lineal should mean a bit more than to just make it a promotional plaything.

Yes, it's my opinion. How else do you form a view on something? It's not based on nothing and there's plenty of evidence in there. There's not much I'm saying that isn't factual, but of course it's still my opinion.

[joe strong]

That was a big win for Povetkin. Whyte has beaten some good HWs & at Povetkin's age I really thought he had a legit shot of winning this fight. Povetkin has slowed down but he still beat Hughie Fury, Hammer, Price & fought to a draw vs Hunter. He was still in my top 5 behind Fury, Wilder, Joshua & Whyte before this fight. In my opinion this was a 50/50 fight between the #4 & 5 HWs in the world. Whyte was winning but Povetkin looked fine after the 4th round despite the 2 knockdowns. That was a great uppercut! That punch just changed the HW landscape. This result could lead to some really good fights over the next few years. If Wilder loses the rubbermatch with Fury he could end up fighting Povetkin (Now that Wilder is not the WBC champion he can't play hardball when it comes to the PED history of Povetkin) or Whyte at some point. Joseph Parker, Usyk, Chisora & several others in the top 15 could be matched together. Povetkin has another big pay day coming & he is now the #4 HW in the world in my rankings. A rematch with Whyte would be good...

[kafkod]

Doesn't matter in the end.


Brutal uppercut. KO of the Year for sure.

It was a fantastic punch. I've watched a lot of boxing and I don't remember ever seeing such a beautifully timed and delivered uppercut.

[LoadedWraps]

Doesn’t matter about the entertainment value

Fury outclassed reigning champion Wlad. Joshua barely sc****d by an older Wlad

There’s no spin capable of convincing anyone that Joshua’s was the better win. Not a chance

Good post. Well said.

[LoadedWraps]

POEvetkin looking calm and ready.

I smell an upset.

Wouldn't be an upset... I actually favor the Russian here...

I do as well brother, an upset at the bookies is what I meant lol.


Sasha is a better all around boxer, more experienced, higher IQ, imo faster hands, and it's no secret I never put much stock into age.

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[kafkod]

They were flash knockdowns. First one especially.

Depends how you define a flash knockdown. By my definition, they weren't wasn't flash knockdowns for 2 reasons:

1. They didn't come completely out of the blue. Whyte was landing more clean shots at that stage and had already visibly staggered Povetkin in an earlier round.

2. Povetkin got up immediately from the first knockdown, but he didn't shake off the effect of the punch immediately, otherwise he wouldn't have got decked again shortly after.

[Boxing Scene]

Yep. Just as I predicted. I told you ***in idiots.

[factsarenice]

Great competitive fight...key word competitive

Joshua tried to warn Dillian but he got caught hooking with a hooker. Great fight.

IMO, both beat Wilder fairly easy and they would need to get inside on Fury to get it done. I'm not positive but it seems that Povetkin closes the gap quicker and throws a lot of combinations but he may also be the smaller of the two. Dillain and Povetkin both wanted either Wilder or Fury because they believe they can get inside like Otto Wallin with power and combinations.

For the record, I don't believe either will get the chance