Ever since Fury changed trainers, I've been convinced he'll lose

[PAC-BOY]

Definitely. Fury says he doesn’t like Wilder either but I don’t even buy that. They’re both flashy guys. They’re making each other huge money. Wilder says he likes Fury. I think Fury likes Wilder also secretly. I mean look at the outfits they both wear to the ring. They can appreciate the similarities I’m sure. I don’t see Fury telling everyone he’s gonna weigh 270lbs if it was by actual design. I could see him saying it to help promote the fight if he knew he couldn’t lose the weight. He could also want to try and goad Wilder to try and come in heavier, but I mean Wilder already has the power, and if anything I can’t see Wilder coming in “too heavy” or out of shape. Like u said, we will know more at the weigh in and round one. Plus talking about weight always causes buzz, could be as genius and simple as that. Fury can weigh in fully clothed too, cause boxing is ridiculous like that.

I like both guys. How can anyone not really. To come from nothing and be the HW champ isnt an easy task. lol Both good for the division and the sport. They are not on the Tyson Ali level imo as far as fans knowing them though. That can change quick. But so far that Tyson buzz we had in the 80's and 90's isnt there yet. I hate to see either lose but its gonna have too. Or a back to back draw lol

[LacedUp]

Well its obvious hes in shape. How can you not see that? Its not like hes coming in like Ruiz shape. Hes putting in the work. What more would you like to know? Hes doing a ton of cardio and less sparring also.

I need to see boxing shape. haven't seen one good clip of his training. The one i did see looked absolutely horrendous.

[PAC-BOY]

I need to see boxing shape. haven't seen one good clip of his training. The one i did see looked absolutely horrendous.

From what hear they are keeping the media out of the gym and hes doing more cardio and bag work than sparring. Not sure what the advantage is on that because they only show what they want to be seen. In his case they want to cameras. Fury said last time he had cameras in the gym and all the attention on his comeback and this time he wants to be focused 100 %. I saw this in one of his interviews.

[PAC-BOY]

I need to see boxing shape. haven't seen one good clip of his training. The one i did see looked absolutely horrendous.

I found that clip. its a bout 135 on the reel. LOL not sure if you seen it or not but its him explaining why he wants no cameras

[LacedUp]

I found that clip. its a bout 135 on the reel. LOL not sure if you seen it or not but its him explaining why he wants no cameras

That just makes me even more confident that he's had a crap training camp.

This is a guy who usually shows everything, incl. his sparring sessions leading up to Klitschko etc.

I think something is up and I don't believe them when they say they get on like a house on fire.

At all. it feels forced.

[Beercules]

That just makes me even more confident that he's had a crap training camp.

This is a guy who usually shows everything, incl. his sparring sessions leading up to Klitschko etc.

I think something is up and I don't believe them when they say they get on like a house on fire.

At all. it feels forced.

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You think so ? I think you are one of the more knowledgeable posters here




I bet 20$ with a friend God dammit

[PAC-BOY]

That just makes me even more confident that he's had a crap training camp.

This is a guy who usually shows everything, incl. his sparring sessions leading up to Klitschko etc.

I think something is up and I don't believe them when they say they get on like a house on fire.

At all. it feels forced.

I dont know man. You're right though. Fury normally is in the limelight. But im buying hes taking this that serious that he wants nothing but pure focus on this fight. Like he said all the cameras are there until you get knocked out cold and then there gone. Comments like that got me thinking hes for real on it.

[billeau2]

I need to see boxing shape. haven't seen one good clip of his training. The one i did see looked absolutely horrendous.

Why? At his worse boxing shape, all he has to do is avoid a right hand and pick up rounds. At his worse Ortiz had Wilder beat and on the hook...at his best, he had Wilder beat and on the hook! if you catch my drift? Ortiz was closer to winning the fight the first fight when he just could not finish when he had Wilder hurt. Shape was not a factor.

People are making a mountain out of a molehill imo. Either Fury can avoid a very powerful one armed fighter, or he cannot. At his best would that make it any easier? probably... Fury is creating drama and the possibility of defeat when he claims he will go after Wilder, which he may well do. Look at it this way,
the best way for Fury to lose, is to come in with great mass, a solid weight for his punch... Being in the BEST shape of his life, and mix it up with Wilder and not be able to take Wilder off balance in the exchanges... He might well get caught as Ortiz did.

The reason Fury was succesful last time was he boxed correctly, and used his skills properly. If he just wants to win this fight, he can play the odds and do what every other fighter does for most of the fight (take rounds) and in the last part of the fight, use a conservative strategy.

My point is that regardless of how it looks to people... "oh oh ohhhh Wilder just has to uncork once!!!" the odds are with Fury in this scenario. Fury beat him last time this way really...

Fury always will be his own worse enemy. Getting into shape to try to out punch a puncher is kind of like a weight lifter trying to get in the best shape of his life to wrestle a bear...does it really matter? Rhonda Roussey started her trajectory to the bottom trying to box a boxer.

One who thinks Fury wins this does not believe that the Gypsy King is preparing to enter a punch out. He may try to finish Wilder when Wilder is going backwards...Or he may want to stand his ground when inside (Tyson fights well inside) but these reasons do not sell tickets.

[alexguiness]

I think that is Wilder by KO is a very popular choice for many pundits.

Thing about Wilder is that he is consistent with knocking people down and hurting them every single fight.

The question mark is always around Fury's mental state and preparation - which is clearly inconsistant.

I was worried when he switched trainers as well - but Kronk should be as good, if not better than Ben Davidson.

[MDPopescu]

Can anyone put up any point to change my mind?

I think he'll lose, likely by KO.

I predict, no matter what happens that he'll be back with Ben Davison for his next fight.

Davison trained him in what exactly?... I guess he acted more like a wellness coach...