It's incredible how quickly boxing changes.

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The only thing ground breaking about the business model is that DAZN has no built in way to spread the word about their service. Which is why the service is failing massively. When Showtime launched their standalone app, they had CBS and Showtime to promote it. When ESPN launched their standalone app (ESPN+), they had ABC and ESPN to promote it.

DAZN is out of sight out of mind. It'd be one thing if HBO had launched a separate boxing only app and could then use HBO, TBS, TNT and Tru, etc to promote it, (like they do with B/R Live), but with DAZN, they have no mainstream properties to promote their "ground breaking" app.




People either want to see a fight or they don't. The price is often irrelevant. Yes, DAZN is cheaper than 5 PPVs, but they don't have 5 fights a year people would have bought on PPV. They barely have 2.




Other than Canelo's two most recent fights, DAZN has had exactly *zero* fights that would have been PPVs in the HBO/Showtime days. Joshua's fights wouldn't have been PPVs. GGG's fight wouldn't have been a PPV. GGG flopped on PPV whenever he was the A-side.

Dazn seems to be doing fine around the world...the US market isn’t the only measure of success. Either way, you started a thread about how much boxing has changed in the last 10-15 years, and neglected to mention arguably the biggest change...for better or for worse.

You can’t say ggg or Joshua wouldn’t be on ppv with hbo out of the boxing business. Saying their fights wouldn’t be on ppv because they were on regular hbo years ago is irrelevant when hbo is no longer in the picture.

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Dazn seems to be doing fine around the world...

According to who? DAZN? And just fine by what metric? If the company is losing tons of money over all, with no end in sight, and no hope to turn things around, does it really matter if DAZN has the NBA rights in Japan? That's not going to be enough for the company to survive.

you started a thread about how much boxing has changed in the last 10-15 years, and neglected to mention arguably the biggest change

My thread is about how quickly power can be gained and lost in boxing. Out of boxing's three newest players (Fox, ESPN and DAZN), DAZN has, by far, the least amount of power. I know on internet forums, everyone is obsessed with DAZN, but out in the real world, it's an out of sight, out of mind, irrelevant service, except for two nights a year when Canelo fights (and the hype when he fights is WAY WAY less than his HBO/Showtime days).

You can’t say ggg or Joshua wouldn’t be on ppv with hbo out of the boxing business. Saying their fights wouldn’t be on ppv because they were on regular hbo years ago is irrelevant when hbo is no longer in the picture.

Nothing would stop GGG or Joshua from doing a low level Integrated Sports PPV or something like that. My point is simply is that their recent fights would not have been fights HBO or Showtime would have put on PPV during the heyday of PPV.

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According to who? DAZN? And just fine by what metric? If the company is losing tons of money over all, with no end in sight, and no hope to turn things around, does it really matter if DAZN has the NBA rights in Japan? That's not going to be enough for the company to survive.




My thread is about how quickly power can be gained and lost in boxing. Out of boxing's three newest players (Fox, ESPN and DAZN), DAZN has, by far, the least amount of power. I know on internet forums, everyone is obsessed with DAZN, but out in the real world, it's an out of sight, out of mind, irrelevant service, except for two nights a year when Canelo fights (and the hype when he fights is WAY WAY less than his HBO/Showtime days).




Nothing would stop GGG or Joshua from doing a low level Integrated Sports PPV or something like that. My point is simply is that their recent fights would not have been fights HBO or Showtime would have put on PPV during the heyday of PPV.

Dazn is relevant when discussing the changing landscape of boxing...and to a true fan of the sport, it’s a must have and the best deal going. If pbc had stuck to the free tv model, instead of pulling the old bait and switch with the ppvs, then it would be great. Instead we’re getting more ppvs with worse production value and a bunch of commercial filled mediocre fights for free. The sport is more fractured and expensive than it’s ever been.

Would all of the pbc ppvs been so on hbo or showtime during the ppv heyday?

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Dazn is relevant when discussing the changing landscape of boxing

Who is stopping you from discussing it? I made a thread about power being gained and lost. DAZN hasn't gained or lost power. There are already a hundred threads about DAZN. If you think there should be more, make them.

a true fan of the sport, it’s a must have and the best deal going.

I'm glad you're enjoying it. Most months they don't have a fight people are willing to spend $20 to see, which is why most boxing fans don't subscribe.

If pbc had stuck to the free tv model, instead of pulling the old bait and switch with the ppvs, then it would be great.

PBC has stuck with their free TV model. There hasn't been a bait and switch. For the first time in decades, world championship boxing is available for free on a regular basis. PBC never said they wouldn't do PPVs. In fact, they said the exact opposite. PBC's game plan was to use free TV to create a new generation of stars and then cash in on PPV. That's exactly what they've done.

Would all of the pbc ppvs been so on hbo or showtime during the ppv heyday?

Every PBC PPV so far has done hundreds of thousands of buys. Every PBC PPV so far would definitely have been a PPV in the HBO/Showtime heyday.

WILDER vs. FURY did 325,000 buys, more than CANELO vs. LARA, CANELO vs. SMITH, LEWIS vs. GOLOTA, JONES vs. TARVER, HAMED vs. BARRERA, COTTO vs. MARTINEZ, etc.

PACQUIAO vs. BRONER did 400,000 buys, more than LEWIS vs. GRANT, GATTI vs. MAYWEATHER, MAYWEATHER vs. JUDAH, etc.

SPENCE vs. GARCIA did 375,000 buys, more than CANELO vs. ANGULO, JONES vs. TARVER II, PACQUIAO vs. MORALES II, PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA III, etc.

PACQUIAO vs. THURMAN did 500,000 buys, more than TYSON vs. GOLOTA, RAHMAN vs. LEWIS II, MARTINEZ vs. CHAVEZ JR, TARVER vs. JONES III, etc.

SPENCE vs. PORTER did 350,000 buys, more than MAYWEATHER vs. BALDOMIR, DE LA HOYA vs. RUELAS, PACQUIAO vs. MORALES, TONEY vs. JONES, etc.

WILDER vs. ORTIZ II did 275,000 buys, more than TYSON vs. McBRIDE, CALZAGHE vs. JONES, PACQUIAO vs. DIAZ, GGG vs. JACOBS, KOVALEV vs. WARD, MERCER vs. MORRISON, HOLYFIELD vs. RUIZ II, etc.

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Who is stopping you from discussing it? I made a thread about power being gained and lost. DAZN hasn't gained or lost power. There are already a hundred threads about DAZN. If you think there should be more, make them.




I'm glad you're enjoying it. Most months they don't have a fight people are willing to spend $20 to see, which is why most boxing fans don't subscribe.




PBC has stuck with their free TV model. There hasn't been a bait and switch. For the first time in decades, world championship boxing is available for free on a regular basis. PBC never said they wouldn't do PPVs. In fact, they said the exact opposite. PBC's game plan was to use free TV to create a new generation of stars and then cash in on PPV. That's exactly what they've done.




Every PBC PPV so far has done hundreds of thousands of buys. Every PBC PPV so far would definitely have been a PPV in the HBO/Showtime heyday.

WILDER vs. FURY did 325,000 buys, more than CANELO vs. LARA, CANELO vs. SMITH, LEWIS vs. GOLOTA, JONES vs. TARVER, HAMED vs. BARRERA, COTTO vs. MARTINEZ, etc.

PACQUIAO vs. BRONER did 400,000 buys, more than LEWIS vs. GRANT, GATTI vs. MAYWEATHER, MAYWEATHER vs. JUDAH, etc.

SPENCE vs. GARCIA did 375,000 buys, more than CANELO vs. ANGULO, JONES vs. TARVER II, PACQUIAO vs. MORALES II, PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA III, etc.

PACQUIAO vs. THURMAN did 500,000 buys, more than TYSON vs. GOLOTA, RAHMAN vs. LEWIS II, MARTINEZ vs. CHAVEZ JR, TARVER vs. JONES III, etc.

SPENCE vs. PORTER did 350,000 buys, more than MAYWEATHER vs. BALDOMIR, DE LA HOYA vs. RUELAS, PACQUIAO vs. MORALES, TONEY vs. JONES, etc.

WILDER vs. ORTIZ II did 275,000 buys, more than TYSON vs. McBRIDE, CALZAGHE vs. JONES, PACQUIAO vs. DIAZ, GGG vs. JACOBS, KOVALEV vs. WARD, MERCER vs. MORRISON, HOLYFIELD vs. RUIZ II, etc.

Yea, they all did pretty good, even though you’re going with the absolute highest reported numbers. Pacquiao is a proven draw...he’s been a Ppv fighter. Some of those other matchups didn’t feel ppv worthy. Now they’re talking about tank vs Santa Cruz on ppv lol. But like you said, people want to watch the fights or they don’t, which is why pbc is putting any decent matchup on ppv and forcing people’s hand to buy. Most of the stuff on free tv is below par considering the stable they have. They absolutely pulled the bait and switch...their mantra was “free boxing on network cable”, until hbo was out of the picture, then they ramped up the ppvs. Fox Ppv? Who tf wants that?

It’s fine if you don’t want to talk about dazn, but look at all the fights they had last year...if you’re a fan of the sport without access to it, you’re missing out. For the record, I’m not even a subscriber. I watch all dazn fights at a friends place...he primarily has it for football and soccer, but likes boxing too.

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Yea, they all did pretty good, even though you’re going with the absolute highest reported numbers.

I'm going with the same numbers for all of the fights. The numbers widely reported by the most respected outlets.

Pacquiao is a proven draw...he’s been a Ppv fighter.

And now Wilder and Spence are proven draws as well and have been turned into PPV fighters.

Now they’re talking about tank vs Santa Cruz on ppv

Tank is the next guy they want to try to turn into a PPV fighter. We'll see if it works. It's a process. Remember, GGG and Andre Ward were doing like 150k buys on HBO PPV. Tank has a big following, is a young rising undefeated star with world titles in two weight classes. Of course they're going to see if he can draw on PPV.

which is why pbc is putting any decent matchup on ppv

That's not accurate at all. There were plenty of big fights on Fox and Showtime last year. Just because the four biggest fights of the year are going on PPV doesn't mean there aren't good fights. PBC has a deep roster and most of the top guys are fighting twice a year.