AJ Ruiz 2 Sky PPV ALONE generates $30mil more than Wilder Ortiz FOX PPV!

[The Big Dunn]

You're right it isn't the same thing...that wasnt unwatchable on the weekend, it was nowhere near some of Klitschko's fights. It was a decent watch, the sub-plot of the knockout 6 months earlier added to it.

You are overreacting to one performance tbh, let's see what happens in his next fight. He had a guy in front of him who had an granite chin and in both fights started swinging as soon as AJ threw his power, he would swing when he was hurt even. AJ was not some come forward aggressive brawler before, he has always been calculated, it's just in the past fighters are normally more affected by his power and they crumble.

I dont think it's in his mental makeup to be a gun-shy fighter. More aware? Yes.

I have no problem with AJ boxing. I like displays of skill. Historically this site has not embraced same. I saw a number of comments about his boxing and how it was boring.

I am concerned about not coming back to America. I think there is a real concern that American fans will not warm up to a HWT that boxes and moves like someone from ww or lw when the fighter is not from America.

[The Big Dunn]

... Sure... "historically", Wilder did hide from Wlad... while Fury and AJ didn't...

How did Wilder hide from Wlad? Wlad wasn't keen on coming to the US after he got KTFO the 2nd time and Wilder wasn't a top tier HWT that was anywhere near a title shot.

Wilder won the wbc belt in Jan 2015. Wlad defended in April then lost to Fury in Nov 2015.

[The Big Dunn]

Your double standards are unreal and this twisty narrative "Wlad did it, so AJ will". What great american fighters did Wlad hide from anyway?

I know people take the piss out of Wilders earnings but he's still in the millions and can affor to fly anywhere in the world to fight AJ.

So far the problem is Wilder has said the fight makes more money PPV and he hasn't sent any more offers or counter offers to AJ, Wilders the one with PPV networks not AJ.

Have you admitted that Wilder is ducking Whyte yet? Since you insisted on that other poster must admit Loma avoiding Haney or it's double standards.

I didn't say AJ would do it. I said I am concerned given AJ got KTFO by an obscure American and wlad is now his mentor. AJ, like wlad, can make money overseas so he may not want to take any risks.

There was no reason for wlad to hide, which made it worse.

Of course the fight makes more on PPV. I think the revenue from this weekend's fight shows that. Obviously both sides want control when the fight happens.

Wilder hasn't asked for an emeritus designation to avoid any opponent like Loma did so please don't compare them. Ducking whyte-he just waited to see if ukad would do the right thing. Instead, they "cleared" him.

I get that AJ, like Wlad, can make a great living by hiding in Europe and fighting bum after bum in front of massive European crowds. I am sure you wouldn't mind because that will keep a piece of the HWT title in England which is important to you.

Is that really what the division and the sport needs?

[Robbie Barrett]

How did Wilder hide from Wlad? Wlad wasn't keen on coming to the US after he got KTFO the 2nd time and Wilder wasn't a top tier HWT that was anywhere near a title shot.

Wilder won the wbc belt in Jan 2015. Wlad defended in April then lost to Fury in Nov 2015.

Shirley Winkel said they were Keeping Wilder away from Wlad at that time.

[The Big Dunn]

Shirley Winkel said they were Keeping Wilder away from Wlad at that time.

I believe he said Wilder wouldn't be rushed to Klitchko because he wasn't developed yet, which makes sense and is the same reason a guy like Joe Joyce isn't fighting Wilder or AJ next.

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WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder (33-0, 32KOs) is still very much a work in progress, says his co-manager Shelly Finkel. After last Saturday's world title win over Bermane Stiverne, the hype began growing for a fight between Wilder and WBO/WBA/IBO/IBF champion Wladimir Klitschko.

Finkel, who manages Wilder with Al Haymon and Jay Deas, also works closely with Klitschko.

He says there is no need to rush Wilder into big fights against the best of the division; that despite a world title he still needs time to grow and groom his skills.

“Look, (Wilder) is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight, they'll be a time for unification, they'll be a time for all those things, he could go and Povetkin (the No. 2 contender) in Russia and make $10 million,” Finkel said to the Tuscaloosa News. “It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete. They don't take someone who is a great college prospect and throw him right in. And this kid is a great prospect.”

One fight that could happen this year is a match against unbeaten EBU/British champion Tyson Fury.

[sunny31]

I didn't say AJ would do it. I said I am concerned given AJ got KTFO by an obscure American and wlad is now his mentor. AJ, like wlad, can make money overseas so he may not want to take any risks.

There was no reason for wlad to hide, which made it worse.

Of course the fight makes more on PPV. I think the revenue from this weekend's fight shows that. Obviously both sides want control when the fight happens.

Wilder hasn't asked for an emeritus designation to avoid any opponent like Loma did so please don't compare them. Ducking whyte-he just waited to see if ukad would do the right thing. Instead, they "cleared" him.

I get that AJ, like Wlad, can make a great living by hiding in Europe and fighting bum after bum in front of massive European crowds. I am sure you wouldn't mind because that will keep a piece of the HWT title in England which is important to you.

Is that really what the division and the sport needs?

Joshua has the best resume at heavyweight, if anything, and Hearn has mentioned this in interviews, they probably pushed him along a bit too fast. Wilder was the one that had an over-abundance of learning fights, probably to his benefit actually now. He looks the most experienced and set in his style of the top 3.

AJ already has a ludicrous amount of money...Klitschko made good money but never on this level. His biggest pay days were Haye, Povekin, and Joshua, coming at the end of his career, and even then they were in the $10-15 million range.

Joshua made in his last fight prob close to Wlad made in the majority of his career. I'm only mentioning that because I dont think money is a priority anymore. I think there plan is to take these mandatories and then go after undisputed...I think hes been trying to become undisputed for the past 18 months. I think the ego of Wilders management has stopped this fight from happening.

If Joshua gets those fights, I wouldnt be surprised if hes out of the game in 2 or 3 years. Hes got a nice stable he manages, and I genuinely think he wants the legacy fights asap, Hearn too. Everything about his career so far screams that.

I dont know why people cant see it

[The Big Dunn]

Joshua has the best resume at heavyweight, if anything, and Hearn has mentioned this in interviews, they probably pushed him along a bit too fast. Wilder was the one that had an over-abundance of learning fights, probably to his benefit actually now. He looks the most experienced and set in his style of the top 3.

AJ already has a ludicrous amount of money...Klitschko made good money but never on this level. His biggest pay days were Haye, Povekin, and Joshua, coming at the end of his career, and even then they were in the $10-15 million range.

Joshua made in his last fight prob close to Wlad made in the majority of his career. I'm only mentioning that because I dont think money is a priority anymore. I think there plan is to take these mandatories and then go after undisputed...I think hes been trying to become undisputed for the past 18 months. I think the ego of Wilders management has stopped this fight from happening.

If Joshua gets those fights, I wouldnt be surprised if hes out of the game in 2 or 3 years. Hes got a nice stable he manages, and I genuinely think he wants the legacy fights asap, Hearn too. Everything about his career so far screams that.

I dont know why people cant see it

AJ has an amateur pedigree and background that is superior to Wilder's. His resume is better than Wilder's. IMO all Wilder has is power-but that power definitely worries AJ and his team because his chin has some issues.

I think money is the priority for any fighter because this is prize fighting. The non American guys love to talk about unification to make it seem money isn't their priority. As we've seen with their actions its just talk. Money is ALWAYS the priority.

I just hope he is Lennox Lewis 2.0 and not Wlad 2.0. The sport is in trouble if he is Wlad 2.0.

[Robbie Barrett]

I believe he said Wilder wouldn't be rushed to Klitchko because he wasn't developed yet, which makes sense and is the same reason a guy like Joe Joyce isn't fighting Wilder or AJ next.

//krikya360.com/wilder-n...-finkel--86714

WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder (33-0, 32KOs) is still very much a work in progress, says his co-manager Shelly Finkel. After last Saturday's world title win over Bermane Stiverne, the hype began growing for a fight between Wilder and WBO/WBA/IBO/IBF champion Wladimir Klitschko.

Finkel, who manages Wilder with Al Haymon and Jay Deas, also works closely with Klitschko.

He says there is no need to rush Wilder into big fights against the best of the division; that despite a world title he still needs time to grow and groom his skills.

“Look, (Wilder) is a baby winning the title. It was his first title fight, they'll be a time for unification, they'll be a time for all those things, he could go and Povetkin (the No. 2 contender) in Russia and make $10 million,” Finkel said to the Tuscaloosa News. “It's not the right thing yet. Give him a couple of fights, maybe bring something back to Alabama. Let him develop just like any other athlete. They don't take someone who is a great college prospect and throw him right in. And this kid is a great prospect.”

One fight that could happen this year is a match against unbeaten EBU/British champion Tyson Fury.

So they were keeping him away. Like i said.

[The Big Dunn]

So they were keeping him away. Like i said.

That is a ridiculous interpretation.

[sunny31]

AJ has an amateur pedigree and background that is superior to Wilder's. His resume is better than Wilder's. IMO all Wilder has is power-but that power definitely worries AJ and his team because his chin has some issues.

I think money is the priority for any fighter because this is prize fighting. The non American guys love to talk about unification to make it seem money isn't their priority. As we've seen with their actions its just talk. Money is ALWAYS the priority.

I just hope he is Lennox Lewis 2.0 and not Wlad 2.0. The sport is in trouble if he is Wlad 2.0.

Wilder has more than power, he is fast, has a competent defence and a good chin, I think both Wilder and Joshua are more intelligent than given credit for.

Of course money is important, the most important thing, but at this point AJ has more money than he could spend, he just made $100 million in 2019...that doesnt mean they are going to bend over at the negotiating table but the way they are talking it's about legacy now, and of course in his position the money will come regardless. He has a good resume, he just needs those sprinkles on top with Fury and Wilder. From what I've seen, his attitude is let's fight, and if I'm good enough I'll win, if not, at least I found out...just because he fought a tactical fight in a rematch against a guy who knocked him out 6 months earlier doesnt make him Wlad...you're making a quantum leap.

Wlad stayed in Germany because the pay days in the US were not comparably bigger for the risk, he also had the fan support and refereeing in his favour. There also weren't any popular or challenging american heavyweights during his reign. Different scenario altogether. I think he will continue to mix up where he fights, and I wouldnt be surprised if he fights in Africa soon.