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**ruedboy** · 08-22-2019, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by satiev1 View Post

He beat a ww who was already koed twice. Hearns chin won't sustain ggg for 12 rounds at 160.

Gotta love Tommy, fan friendly fighter who was always entertaining.
Even as WW, Tommy had the upper body of a LHW. Unfortunately for Tommy, he had legs like pipe cleaners.
Hearns was levels above Khan, but he had the same type of chin.
You hit Tommy on the chin and he'd do this weird dance, lots of times stamping his feet, trying to feel his legs under him.
No way Golovkin doesn't KO him.

**TonyGe** · 08-22-2019, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Nay_Sayer View Post

Hearns has the W over Virgil Hill @ 175lbs.

Exactly WHO has Bumlovkin beaten?

So he beat Virgil Hill. OK..

**TonyGe** · 08-22-2019, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by ruedboy View Post

Gotta love Tommy, fan friendly fighter who was always entertaining.
Even as WW, Tommy had the upper body of a LHW. Unfortunately for Tommy, he had legs like pipe cleaners.
Hearns was levels above Khan, but he had the same type of chin.
You hit Tommy on the chin and he'd do this weird dance, lots of times stamping his feet, trying to feel his legs under him.
No way Golovkin doesn't KO him.

Thing about Tommy was his boxing skills. He was a great boxer and had an outstanding jab. Everyone talks about his power but he outboxed Benitez who was a defensive wizard. He outboxed Leonard for most of their first fight. He brought it every time. You have to admire that.

**ruedboy** · 08-22-2019, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by TonyGe View Post

Thing about Tommy was his boxing skills. He was a great boxer and had an outstanding jab. Everyone talks about his power but he outboxed Benitez who was a defensive wizard. He outboxed Leonard for most of their first fight. He brought it every time. You have to admire that.

Agree. Hearns was special, most def a true ATG.

**aboutfkntime** · 08-22-2019, 08:53 PM

lilG's... " woulda, coulda, shoulda "... team, seem to be working overtime

FACT: that " coulda " stuff is just nonsense... because, he didn't

ATG discussions are not a possible head-to-head... they are a definite, who achieved more

Barkley > Golovkin... not even close

Barkley beat a great fighter, Golovkin beat...

- Jacobs*
- Lemieux
- Murray

we told you guys that G needed to take the fights he was avoiding

ridiculous that his silly fanbase blurted out every excuse in the book to justify Golovkin's timid opponent selection... but now want to hold him up high and claim greatness

it doesn't work like that

like Ward told Golovkin... you cannot have this monster reputation without getting in there with another real one, and backing that thing up... NOT ONCE... but again, and again, and again

that never happened... so, hush with your cool-storys, bro's

**Boxing_1013** · 08-24-2019, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by glenn mcrory View Post

This is why Im against a third fight.
Barring an absolute one-round colossal slaughter of david vs goliath proportions, the triple-she goons are just going to continue making excuses, spinning tales of folklore about some gnomish looking creature, witnessing things that never happened, and descending down the spiral of madness.

Ignore them and their god and maybe, maybe theyll just go away.

I mean...G outlanded Nelo in 18/22 rounds...2 ties...that's pretty impressive...hard to see how that gets slighted so casually lol

**Boxing_1013** · 08-24-2019, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post

I think Danny Jacobs beat Golovkin... and Canelo beat him TWICE

the last win was a masterclass... the fake Mexican was running

Mugabi was better than Hypekin

he knocked out plenty of mid-level no-hopers... like Golovkin did

I would say Matthew Hilton was also better than Golovkin

we do not need to mention MUCH better fighters like Hagler lol

your latest doozy... that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history... is truly delicious LMAO

Man as usual I agree with almost nothing that you say...and to say a man lost 3 fights...when he outlanded his opponent in 9/11, 10/11, and 8/11 rounds...I mean it just shows a clear bias imo...punches landed aren't everything (punch effectiveness is the only other thing that matters) but they generally tell the story and I think they pretty clearly did in those 3 fights.

I would also say that as great as Hagler was, he has bad losses on his resume...GGG has no real clear losses on his...Hagler does have a great win over Hearns...tbh I like Mugabi but to say he was really any different that David Lemieux...I mean that would really just be your opinion...there is no real resume separation for those two fighters.

Again I also think you seriously underrate the quality of GGG's opposition...while at the same time giving other great fighters a pass for their bad losses....while an ATG like GGG has no bad losses.

Originally posted by TonyGe View Post

Mugabi had a big punch a good jaw but he failed miserably against Hagler. I say miserably because when he got hurt by Hagler he showed very poor ring IQ. His response ended up to be... stand in front of Hagler and accept punches. . There is no way he was on Golovkin's level. That's ridiculous. The only reason he lasted so long against Hagler was because of his chin. After Hagler beat him Mugabi was a shot fighter.

Good post Tony...always good to hear your thoughts

Originally posted by DreamFighter View Post

macklin monroe are not bums they are just 2nd tier defence, "staybusy defences" between the tougher opponents.

Lemieux was a titlist opponent, nothing wrong with that win, its not a 2nd tier title fight.

Good post...I know you are a dedicated poster to letting us know that a lot of G's defenses are with the regular title lol...but I do feel you get the quality of G's opponents right there...Macklin 2nd tier...Lemieux a formidable test...

And Monroe I really rate that win for G based on styles...and I am always partial to lefties that can box so I rate WMJr fairly high I guess.

Originally posted by Nay_Sayer View Post

Barkley beating Hearns absolutely positively urinates and defecates on the whole of Bumlovkin career. Past, present and whatever he can manage to do with the rest of his abysmal career. The Bumlovkinites really aught to stop smoking the Crack..

Honestly idk why you guys are trying to bring this point up lol...the thread was about ATGs like GGG Hagler and Hearns...and how two of those ATGs, Hagler and Hearns, had multiple bad losses in their careers...the same group who give them a pass for those losses, also give GGG a lot of grief for rolling through a list of 15 of those types of fighters and never taking a bad loss...I would also point out that most people give G a win or two over Nelo which is as good as Barkley's wins over Hearns.

Barkley was a really good fighter...tough guy, tough matchup for some guys (Hearns obviously)...but obviously Barkley's results outside of the two Hearns wins told his story...that he was a good fighter who was a tricky matchup...but not really the top level or close to an ATG like GGG, or Hagler and Tommy.

Originally posted by TonyGe View Post

Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran are my two favorite fighters. The facts are Tommy was a tremendous fighter but his chin wasn't made of steel and he could be hurt to the body. Barkley beating Hearns does not crap all over Golovkin's career. Styles make fights. Duran got slaughtered by Hearns but took Hagler to the 12th round. Hearns got annihilated by Hagler. There is no 100% sure way of telling who would beat who unless the two guys get in the ring. I like Barkley and he's underappreciated but he didn't crap all over Golovkin.

Good post Tony...but Duran went 15 with Hagler

Originally posted by Nay_Sayer View Post

Hearns has the W over Virgil Hill @ 175lbs.

Exactly WHO has Bumlovkin beaten?

He beat Nelo twice...how are you going to hype up someone like Virgil Hill lol? And then have the nerve to slight GGG for all of his good wins lol...y'all are wild man

Originally posted by satiev1 View Post

He beat a ww who was already koed twice. Hearns chin won't sustain ggg for 12 rounds at 160.

If G boxed smart and could avoid the right hand early...it would be bad news for Tommy...he always just gassed out it seemed like...he would have been cannon fodder for someone like G - assuming he didn't light G up early...Tommy was one of my favorites as well

**Boxing_1013** · 08-24-2019, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by satiev1 View Post

LMAO VIRGILL HILL like that's some great accomplishment. Guy goes down on a single body shot from a mile away. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLL

Originally posted by TonyGe View Post

So he beat Virgil Hill. OK..

How does someone have the nerve to slight the solid fighters that G has beaten/destroyed...yet hype up Virgil Hill and even Barkley...again Barkley was really solid don't get me wrong...but look at what either guy did in their career outside of those two Hearns wins...I mean man that's wild stuff lol...funny though.

Originally posted by ruedboy View Post

Gotta love Tommy, fan friendly fighter who was always entertaining.
Even as WW, Tommy had the upper body of a LHW. Unfortunately for Tommy, he had legs like pipe cleaners.
Hearns was levels above Khan, but he had the same type of chin.
You hit Tommy on the chin and he'd do this weird dance, lots of times stamping his feet, trying to feel his legs under him.
No way Golovkin doesn't KO him.

Originally posted by TonyGe View Post

Thing about Tommy was his boxing skills. He was a great boxer and had an outstanding jab. Everyone talks about his power but he outboxed Benitez who was a defensive wizard. He outboxed Leonard for most of their first fight. He brought it every time. You have to admire that.

Originally posted by ruedboy View Post

Agree. Hearns was special, most def a true ATG.

Good posts...Hearns was special for sure...I always loved his boxing ability too Tony...think that may have been a better gameplan vs Hagler...though to be fair, the shots he landed on Marvin should have put any man that size down...I think Tommy more struggled with stamina issues than chin issues...but they were probably all connected in a way...and yes those legs probably didn't help the chin or the stamina.

Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post

Barkley > Golovkin... not even close

Lol dude you're honestly hilarious...I honestly think you are really a G fan but enjoy trolling...he was in there with Canelo btw...twice...and many people saw him win both...so to your point about not being in with a 'real' one...I guess Canelo is a bum in your book too now!

lol

**aboutfkntime** · 08-24-2019, 05:07 PM