"Platforms Wars" - Who wins???

[Scipio2009]

OK, in the short term you are right...

... but as I said: my question was more about the fast changing broadcast environment...

... now, there is more money than ever in pro boxing -- even if the return of investment is quite low...

... in my opinion, in the mid term, the boxing business would have to secure a viable symbiosis between the "TV broadcast" and the "online" -- because the big advertising money are still on TV... well...

Showtime has had live streaming of basically all of their content since 2014 (as an addition to the traditional Showtime channels). I don't have the Fox Sports app, but it's been a thing for some time now and it's used as a supplement to the TV properties.

THAT'S the future; quality content, delivered to as many folks as possible, however the viewer wants to access the content.

Live sports is the final bastion of advertising on TV; boxing has largely been on the outs for the last 30 years or so, but Haymon took the risk, put up the money to see, and proved that boxing could be presented in a way that could see it be treated like every other sport.

Now, we've hit a point where there are three strategies (really two) working off the work that Haymon did.

ESPN views boxing as an add-on that boxing fans will happily pay a lesser premium to watch.

DAZN doesn't believe that boxing's system works, so they aimed to scoop up enough star talent to eventually have folks simply be done with the system (having multiple sports muddles the picture but there's not much difference, to me anyway, between what DAZN is trying to do in the US and what BoxNation did in the UK).

Haymon Sports/PBC have a different aim; expose the sport to the public, let folks get caught up in the stories of these fighters.

Folks get familiar with the fighters, fighters turn to attractions, attractions turn to stars, and stars turn to superstars, rebuilding the PPV track that's been vacant since Floyd finally hung them up and Canelo cashed out.

Bet on whatever path you think is most viable for the future, I've said what I said

[Scipio2009]

What else are we supposed to be judging this on then?

Spence isn't with a network or promoter. Wilder isn't with a network or promoter. I get that being linked with Haymon Sports is a thing, but lets not act like it has the same handcuffs attached to it as being signed to a network or promoter cuz it doesn't appear to be the case.

Everything preventing a Haymon Sports athlete from working with a non-Haymon Sports promoter or network is an in theory thing more then a proven thing.

I KNOW DAZN isn't likely to let Joshua go fight on Showtime without a matching rights battle or at least an agreement of some sort with Joshua &/or Matchroom.

I KNOW Bob isn't going to let Bud fight on Fox PPV unless Spence vs Bud is a lock to do 1.5M buys minimum.

I don't know that Haymon Sports won't let DAZN work with Wilder for a fight or a few fights. I don't know that Haymon Sports won't let ESPN/Bob work with Spence.

In fact I'll even say that Al Haymon must either not be running Haymon Sports or he's a piece of sh^t manager if he's not allowing fighters to explore their possible best money interests & it goes against the whole job description of being a manager.

The best money isn't necessarily on DAZN though, and that's the hang-up in your critique, imo.

Daniel Jacobs has had Haymon in his corner for however long; I'm not even sure, tbh, but he's still in the camp.

Jacobs comes back, rebuilds his profile, and when the camp finally forces the Golovkin fight, Haymon/Connolly make sure that Jacobs gets the best deal on the fight possible, before then being approached with the HBO deal, locking the money with HBO first, and then basically signing Matchroom Sport to stage the fights.

Last fight of the concurrent HBO/Matchroom deal, Jacobs wins his full world title, HBO exits boxing, and he's back on the market again. Connolly (no doubt in my mind that Haymon was still leaned on) helps negotiate the deal, and Jacobs not only ends up with a short deal with really good money on it, he gets Canelo as his first fight!

Jacobs lost the fight, but that doesn't matter; he got his big payday first, he has his money locked in for the other two fights, and twists of fate (Canelo weighing a fight with Andrade must be a kick to the nuts for Golovkin, lol) may even net him a second large payday in three fights.

Haymon will look to make the best deal for the fighter he works for, full stop.

Haymon's fighters have been far more open to running around and discussing deals with almost anyone who has an offer, and the facts still seem to be that the deals have largely not measured up to what the fighters are already getting to begin with.

Wilder-Joshua for the unified/lineal heavyweight championship is going to be a monster event; how big it ends up being is still unknown, but I'd assume it to be fair to say that the payout will be bigger than $100m total to the two fighters.

Why is Eddie Hearn allowed to block that fight in the name of securing his own bag on DAZN without issue?

Terence Crawford drew terribly on PPV (I don't even recall the Postol fight taking this long for Arum to even publicly say that they at least broke even). The PPV potential at the weight is largely on the other side if we're being honest.

In what world is he supposed to bend the knee to Arum, and take his terms, simply because Arum put his whole company under a 360 with ESPN.

Fights should end up wherever the most money for the fighters can be generated.

Odd to see Haymon being the only party consistently doing just that

[MDPopescu]

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Haymon Sports/PBC have a different aim; expose the sport to the public, let folks get caught up in the stories of these fighters.

Folks get familiar with the fighters, fighters turn to attractions, attractions turn to stars, and stars turn to superstars, rebuilding the PPV track that's been vacant since Floyd finally hung them up and Canelo cashed out.

Bet on whatever path you think is most viable for the future, I've said what I said

... Al Haymon is different from anybody in this business... Al Haymon is placing the boxing fighter (as an individual) in the very center of the process... (people usually forget that Haymon's brother, Bobby, was a journeyman at the WW)....

[Scipio2009]

... Al Haymon is different from anybody in this business... Al Haymon is placing the boxing fighter (as an individual) in the very center of the process... (people usually forget that Haymon's brother, Bobby, was a journeyman at the WW)....

Crazy what that butterfly effect ended up manifesting as. Haymon's brother gets treated fair, and the whole world is likely different.

[Mr.365]

Viva Al Haymon!

[MDPopescu]

... Al Haymon is different from anybody in this business... Al Haymon is placing the boxing fighter (as an individual) in the very center of the process... (people usually forget that Haymon's brother, Bobby, was a journeyman at the WW)....

Crazy what that butterfly effect ended up manifesting as. Haymon's brother gets treated fair, and the whole world is likely different.

... I just don't know... I'm only reading things on the Net...

[Phanekim]

I think the PBC remnants will be absorbed by dazn and espn.

online live streaming will be the future. I think haymon is looking to cash out as well.

[bballchump11]

The PBC are the only ones who seem to be making a profit. They get the highest ratings and views without spending the amount of money DAZN is spending. ESPN's plan is more sustainable. They just need more fighters. Golden Boy will probably go there if DAZN gives up.

[bballchump11]

I think the PBC remnants will be absorbed by dazn and espn.

online live streaming will be the future. I think haymon is looking to cash out as well.

Showtime's live streaming app has more subscribers than DAZN has worldwide...