Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez is an Excellent Fighter... But Not The Best

[Curtis Harper]

******ation huh?

Tell you what, why don't we imagine a hypothetical scenario in which two top fighters have each fought the same #3 and #4 in the division? Difference is fighter A has also fought the #5 and #6 whilst fighter B has only fought other guys in the top 10 - 15. Fighter 'A' barely sc****s past all his opponents by disputed SD, whilst fighter 'B' dominates or KOs common opponents (and all his other opponents) out of the water.

With the scalps of the divisional #3, #4, #5 and #6 fighter 'A' clearly has the better resume... you still gonna make that the argument resume is the ONLY deciding factor in how we should all rate fighters?

You do it your way, man, but how about you recognise that other people have their own perfectly legitimate ways of figuring these things 'stead of calling folk silly names?

Resumes are not hypothetical. They are what they are. A guy who goes through legit threats should not be in a p4p competition with a guy who lives on easy street.

All of this style and form nonsense....Fighting no hopers will make a guy look like an immortal.

[Curtis Harper]

A name on a resume is only a name nothing else. The name is only significant if it represents a credible challenge at the time of the fight. Rocky Marciano has Joe Louis on his resume. Not the Joe Louis that was in his prime. It's a nice win but not earth shaking. Cotto beat Martinez. Martinez was damaged goods.
Tyson beat Micheal Spinks.
Etc. etc....
Rating fighters primarily by their resume is not an accurate way of rating fighters. P4P lists are subjective enough without adding poor logic to the mix.

At the end of the day, your resume, AKA, Body Of Work, is the only thing that matters.

If a person has feelings for a guy, it will effect how that resume is perceived. This is why any fan worth a shlt will know the being stages of a guys resume is usually filled up with soft touches.

Use whatever formula you feel is best and I'll do likewise.

[TonyGe]

Resumes are not hypothetical. They are what they are. A guy who goes through legit threats should not be in a p4p competition with a guy who lives on easy street.

All of this style and form nonsense....Fighting no hopers will make a guy look like an immortal.

If you fight no hopers of course it should count against you whether or not the no hopers were at one point in their career a much better fighter. Let's take Floyd and Pac for example.
Floyd has Marquez on his resume. Floyd came in over weight against a much smaller fighter. Do you really think that's significant?
Pac beat Oscar, weight drained and past prime. I know this is going to end up being about Golovkin so let's get that out of the way now. If you think he fought no hopers that's your choice. However don't add guys to another man's list just because at one time in the past they were good fighters. Personally I don't care where some of the fighters I like or have liked were on a P4P list.

[harry-greb]

I agree he is improving and he showed some good thing last week. You are right about the drugs too and that’s hard to sweep under the rug. Nutthuggers won’t hear that though.

Did you ever read that book on Harry Greb, “Live fast, die young”? If you’re a Greb fan I highly recommend. It’s about 700 pages but incredible details and research. It took the dude over 10 years to make it.

Yes I have that book and also "The Fearless Harry Greb" by Bill Paxton.
He's like the Bogeyman. Did he even exist?

[El Gitano]

Is it late in Canelo career

How does that matter? Point is, Canelo learned from Floyd, yet he's being condemned for it while Floyd was applauded and deemed the smartest man in boxing.

[stealthradon]

wait, so.... we got a Golovkin fan, criticizing other fighters resume?

Name all of the very good fighters that Golovkin fought... under the age of 35, active... and not pulled up in weight.

it's all fun-n-games until someone loses an eye, huh ?

Jacobs, Murray, Macklin, Stevens.

[Citizen Koba]

Resumes are not hypothetical. They are what they are. A guy who goes through legit threats should not be in a p4p competition with a guy who lives on easy street.

All of this style and form nonsense....Fighting no hopers will make a guy look like an immortal.

Yes, although folks idea of what constitutes a 'no-hoper' or whatever is also a matter of some subjectivity of course. However I believe I've successfully demonstrated that resume alone is - in the absence of any context - insufficient to compare fighters. In short your premise (that resume is the only factor to consider) is flawed. Had you not chosen to accompany your assertion with ridicule for those who disagree with you I wouldn't have even bothered replying to your post but that ish just rubs me the wrong way.

[techliam]

I don’t see many people claiming Canelo is ‘the best’

Even at middleweight, there’s not a lot separating Golovkin and Canelo, though obviously Canelo has achieved more outside of 160

The debate is firmly between Lomachenko and Crawford, if I’m not mistaken?

[strykr619]

Garbage article by a complete hater. Who has never stepped in the ring once, yet alone in a real fight.

Pathetic!

Here we go with the "never has done it so no right to comment".... He is a sports journalist who has won awards doing what he does.

Using your logic YOU should stfu since you have never written professionally on any sports for any major news outlets.

[Le_Grand]

It’s funny how up in arms the racist portion of Canelo’s Hispanic fanbase and Floyd fanboys get over Canelo. Nobody is saying he’s a bad fighter but you racists are so bitter and immature you get on the offense and assume the worst of people if they don’t give in to your hero worship. You guys have crazy insecurities and agendas that are tiresome and have made this place by far the worst forum on the Internet. More than half of the threads are drying and agenda based you don’t see fans of Lomachenko or Crawford, the two best pound for pound having to force these opinions down throats because they are content.

Great post man! Exactly how I feel about it.