Comments Thread For: Canelo Edges Golovkin With Majority Decision in Action Fight

[BillyBoxing]

But its people who got it 7-5 all the same. And like I said I had it 7-5 & I'm saying I can see how Canelo got the decision cuz it was 1 rd from being a draw on my card (& most people's cards that I'm seeing thus far), 2rds from going Canelo's way & there were 4-5 rds that could have went either way. 1,000 people could have it 7-5 that doesn't mean when there was a quarter or more of the rds that were close that it couldn't go the other way.

And its worth mentioning the official judges are the ones trying to follow the actual criteria of scoring more than 95% of these guys all to happy to talk about their scorecard & how so & so got robbed. They are also the closest to the fighters & they couldn't been influenced on specific judging criteria more based on that closeness to the fighters.



LOL idk about all that. I think some fans think they know more than they do. When I watch big fights with a group of people like I did this fight I'm always entertained with the dumb confidence so many people have about their stance on all things boxing. I think I know more than most & I'm LESS confident about what I know & I understand the variance better than most (although that might be attributed to my time playing poker where variance can make you damn near break down in tears lol).



Thats an argument you can make, but its funny people only make it on nights when they disagree with the decision. I definitely feel like the scoring criteria could be improved & I've talked about it many times, but the scoring criteria now is what it is & I'm using that to make my calls on the fight not what it was in the past or might be in the future.



You're preaching to the choir on Canelo getting the benefit of the doubt by some judges in the past. That draw by the one judge in the Floyd fight is one of the sketchiest things I've seen with judges in a big fight outside of the Bradley W over Manny maybe. And there are other examples in Canelo's career & I've talked about that sketchy sh^t in the past. I just don't think there is an argument here due to the closeness of many of the rounds.

If I legit thought these cards were nuts I'd show no reluctance in saying so. But they aren't nuts (that Byrd one last time was obviously). They are reasonable cards if you are a reasonable person who knows the criteria judges use.

Like I said, we and most people had GGG winning for a reason.

With those criterias, and all that stuff, you can make a card say anything you want, you have to white wash the opponent for 7/8 rounds in order to be sure you will get the win wich is ******. And there is a huge room for robberies.


That's not accurate at all, first 3 judges isn't enough, to easy to corrupt or fck it up, I would change that, put a jury of 7 guys

[Eff Pandas]

I never was that chocked by that result, Horn was a robbery, Manny vs Brad was a close fight, IMO, closer than the first Nelo vs GG if you ask me.

We see that differently then. I thought Manny for sure beat Tim & it wasn't even competitive most rounds as I viewed the fight. Horn mugged Manny & I had Manny winning, but it was close so I couldn't complain. Although I think I did cuz it seemed very Tim-like in that it felt like whenever Arum is tired of Manny's sh^t Manny was losing a decision he'd probably not have lost if Arum wasn't tired of his sh^t.

I'm not saying Arum is paying off or planting judges, but its f#cking sketchy for sure.

The worst recent robbery IMO was Lara vs P WILL

I'd agree with that. I just don't consider that a big fight like Manny, Floyd or Canelo fights.

[BillyBoxing]

Idk what this matters. I'm not saying GGG gots a horrible defense. Only that its not as good as Canelo's & it certainly wasn't last night. I'm not saying Canelo showed great D just better than GGG's. Thats the question in play. Don't gotta move the goalposts to try to keep your narrative going.

Like I said to me its f#cking crazytown to suggest Canelo's defense wasn't superior than GGG's last night. All GGG did was land the jab. Thats it. Thats the only argument there really is. Everything else was Canelo landing better, harder shots on GGG & being more elusive & making GGG miss more than maybe he's done in his whole career last night.



Not sure what you are asking here, but assume you are talking about the legitness of Compubox. I don't disagree Compubox is 100% correct. But I saw GGG miss a lot last night & til they are putting microchips in gloves to 100% correctly count shots (& the power in those shots) Compubox offers us the only means to put a fight into numbers hence I use them when it seems correct to do so without being 100% married to those numbers.

Nope I think GGG landed more the straight right than Canel, but I might be wrong.

I also think GGG was there with sneaky right upper cut, bunch of decent hooks too.

Nelo outlanded him with body punches and left hooks.

I thought many Nelo's body punch didn't land cleanly as compubox prentends.

Man we nuts, lol you had GGG 7-5 I had GGG 8-4 by a tiny swing rounds, I don't even know why we are overdebating I swear we are worst than old bitter divorced cougars talking about their ex husbands lol

[budfr]

Canelo the aggressor against the naturalky bigger GGG, proving all haters he is the real deal. No teasy to go 12 rounds with GGG. Just give credit to Canelo, look at GGG´s face....great fight by the way !!!!!!!

[BillyBoxing]

We see that differently then. I thought Manny for sure beat Tim & it wasn't even competitive most rounds as I viewed the fight. Horn mugged Manny & I had Manny winning, but it was close so I couldn't complain. Although I think I did cuz it seemed very Tim-like in that it felt like whenever Arum is tired of Manny's sh^t Manny was losing a decision he'd probably not have lost if Arum wasn't tired of his sh^t.

I'm not saying Arum is paying off or planting judges, but its f#cking sketchy for sure.



I'd agree with that. I just don't consider that a big fight like Manny, Floyd or Canelo fights.

Horn was allowed to cheat by the ref, should have been deducted 2 points at least, hence why I thought it was a robbery.

Timmy is my dude, I like chill nice fair dude like him. He truly has no bias, he has the hearth of a lion and is an overachiever. I really liked that man.
Honnestly I had Manny winning 8-4 this fight, then without HBO bias comment, I almost had a draw. HBO crew and the public were riding Manny's pen so hard. I just can't stand GDP and HBO anymore.

[budfr]

Was rooting for G but no complaints about Canelo taking it by 1. 115-113 either way or a draw are all perfectly fine scorecards. Like most I was surprised to see how Canelo was able to be the aggressor this time around and keep Gennady on the backfoot for large portions which I can't remember seeing in Golovkin's career aside from Lemieux.
I've been very impressed through the years with Alvarez's evolution from an almost Mexican novelty to becoming a world class boxer-puncher. He's very sound defensively but when you get through that defence he has now shown he has an iron chin. He was able to maintain a good pace through the twelve rounds even if by the ninth it looked as if he was faltering but by that point Golovkin was having to dig deep himself and he was on fumes by the 12th. Whilst some are saying that Golovkin has lost a step and is sliding which I do agree with, I felt that it was more a case of Alvarez upping his game. His strength and conditioning (which has let him down too often) was excellent last night to go with his impressive boxing ability.
I'm in the minority but I'm not too inclined to see a third fight. We've had two excellent fights out of this pairing already but I feel that Alvarez overtook Golovkin last night and more so in the mental department. In another eight months the chasm may have opened further. I'd be interested to see Canelo/GGG-BJS, the winner of Jacobs-Sergey D or the Charlo bros. Just a different pairing.

Good post, bro. Well explained, I agree.

[Eff Pandas]

Like I said, we and most people had GGG winning for a reason.

With those criterias, and all that stuff, you can make a card say anything you want, you have to white wash the opponent for 7/8 rounds in order to be sure you will get the win wich is ******. And there is a huge room for robberies.

Then you need a new scoring system then Which I'm actually for & have talked about it numerous times. And not just when I disagree with a decision like most people who only wanna change how scoring is done when they see a bad outcome in their eyes. I see bad cards on damn near every fight of a f#cking card. Thats how subjective scoring can be. I don't see anyone mention that except me doe.

But to the point as the criteria for scoring is now when there are close rds, and there often are when two high level guys fight, then you can have an outcome with a wide margin of error that could reasonable include either guy winning the fight.

That's not accurate at all, first 3 judges isn't enough, to easy to corrupt or fck it up, I would change that, put a jury of 7 guys

I mean like I said I've thought about this & discussed it numerous times & I don't think human judges solve it unless you make the criteria for scoring a fight less subjective. The problem isn't the judges. Its the free reign they have in picking up on what they wanna pick up on cuz there are so many things they are supposed to be scoring a fight on.

Personally I think you kick humans out of the game of judging completely. I think you can put microchips in gloves that measure punches landed & the force of those landed punches & then after each rd or hell just after the whole fight, assuming both are still standing, you see who landed more force to the other guy & that guy wins the fight.

[BillyBoxing]

We see that differently then. I thought Manny for sure beat Tim & it wasn't even competitive most rounds as I viewed the fight. Horn mugged Manny & I had Manny winning, but it was close so I couldn't complain. Although I think I did cuz it seemed very Tim-like in that it felt like whenever Arum is tired of Manny's sh^t Manny was losing a decision he'd probably not have lost if Arum wasn't tired of his sh^t.

I'm not saying Arum is paying off or planting judges, but its f#cking sketchy for sure.



I'd agree with that. I just don't consider that a big fight like Manny, Floyd or Canelo fights.

What should do triple next IYO?

He just got pulled a Bernard vs Taylor card by HBO twice lol

So he should pull a Nard and go to showtime to fight Ucaztegui or Stevenson or Jack lol

He would do good at 175/168 IMO, he has been looking drained lately for the weigh in with some McGregor skinny chicks, no wonder why dude is looking slow.
You don't recover well from weight draining +35 in 24/36 hours, it's just like the hang over lol.

His chin and his pop will allows him to trade with those guys.

He's too slow for that 160 speed now.

[maracho]

Here's the official scorecards and punch stats.

Round 2 went to Canelo on all 3 judges cards yet GGG landed twice the power shots and jabs.

Round 3 also went to Canelo on all 3 scored-cards and although it was closer GGG again out landed both jabs and power-shots.

Round 5 all 3 judges scored for Canelo...a round which GGG out landed Canelo 22-14 / 10-6 jabs / 12-8 power punches. GGG out landed Canelo in both jabs and power-shots by 50%.

If those round were scored as they should have been for GGG...the score would have been 112-116/117-111/112-116 all for GGG. Even if you gave the 3rd round to Canelo even though he was out landed in both jabs and power-shots...it's still a unanimous decision for GGG.

It was another robbery...and that's what I predicted would happen unless GGG KO'd Canelo.

Great post

[DeepBalboa]

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Absolutely disgusting got robbed of his titles, unbeaten record, record defences and legacy. Yet some people don’t care about the result and just focus on it being a great fight.