Dlh-hopkins Fixed Fight

[m00ks]

Fight was awesome.

Oscar surprises B-Hop by holding his ground and not running. His hand speed takes over the early rounds as De LaHoya burts flurries. Nard looks for openings. They were fighting Oscar's fight. Mid way through, Oscar slows down the pace a bit. Bernard works him inside. Stuns Oscar brielfy on a couple of occassions. Then it was all Bernard as they switch to his type of fights. It was an awesome display of excecution of plan, adjustments, tactical boxing. Too bad some peopel didn't appreciate it.

[TheFairPole]

Oscar started to feel overwhelmed!!! Thats why it took 3 more punches after the body shot for him to go down!!! He realized that it was his chance to quit!!! This fight was a huge let down!!!

[doomeddisciple]

The fight was definitely a disappointment. Slow paced, few punches thrown, fewer landed. Way too much circleing and looking for an opening. The KO punch was a joke. This fight was a dud.

It was a tactical BOXING match - Not a fireworks ridden Gatti Ward esque battle - When you have skills as high as those two - That's EXACTLY the sort of fight I expected to see.

Did you expect Hagler Hearns again? I thought it was going to be MORE of a chess match - I guess its all on what your expectations were...I loved every second.

[SonnyG8R]

Great avatar doomeddisciple.

[doomeddisciple]

Great avatar doomeddisciple.

Only one missing is Roberto...

[grayfist]

It seems to me that all the talk about a fix have their antecedent on the raid on the offices of Bob Arum, January 6, in Las Vegas, where FBI agents siezed computers, contracts, medical records, financial documents, videos, memos, phone records, etc. as part of a joint FBI-NYPD probe into corruption in boxing. Prior to the raid there were allegations of a fix in the De la Hoya-Shane Mosley II fight. It has been months since that raid. Todate, no evidence worth a serious look has surfaced. But the cloud of su****ion continues to hover, such that, the Hopkins win appears tainted in the eyes of some. The arguments rage on re how strong was that Hopkins shot to the liver. Why is it that when Oscar loses, su****ions of a fix surface? Is Oscar seen by some as so invincible that he has to contrive his own defeats?

[rsl]

I already wrote this question of mine in another post but nobody responded so I'll give it another shot. As for the fight I was surprised w/ De La Hoya's gameplan as everybody else was, I had thought prior to the fight that in order for De La Hoya to win was to box his butt off like he has done all his life. Having seen the fight , I don't know if it would've made a difference if De La Hoya would've boxed instead of being the aggressor in the first half of the fight . Looked to me that both combatants had extremely good defense or maybe they just showed way too much respect for each other's strengths(reasons for the low punch landed rate), for De La Hoya it was his speed and for Hopkins it was his strength . Anyhow there are some people w/ su****ions of the fight being "fixed". I saw the fight live and from what I remember, I believe the camera angle had Hopkin's back showing and next thing I saw was De La Hoya rolling on the ground. I didn't really see how he got dropped in realtime until the replays. The liver shot by Hopkins didn't look like it had much behind it, but it was around the area where coaches tell you to go to do some damage. Now going back to the issue of the fight being fixed, if so how does this turnout play out in the future? What if the outcome was different would it mean less money for the losing fighter in future fights? Obviously if it was fixed both fighters was in on it ?

[grayfist]

I already wrote this question of mine in another post but nobody responded so I'll give it another shot. As for the fight I was surprised w/ De La Hoya's gameplan as everybody else was, I had thought prior to the fight that in order for De La Hoya to win was to box his butt off like he has done all his life. Having seen the fight , I don't know if it would've made a difference if De La Hoya would've boxed instead of being the aggressor in the first half of the fight . Looked to me that both combatants had extremely good defense or maybe they just showed way too much respect for each other's strengths(reasons for the low punch landed rate), for De La Hoya it was his speed and for Hopkins it was his strength . Anyhow there are some people w/ su****ions of the fight being "fixed". I saw the fight live and from what I remember, I believe the camera angle had Hopkin's back showing and next thing I saw was De La Hoya rolling on the ground. I didn't really see how he got dropped in realtime until the replays. The liver shot by Hopkins didn't look like it had much behind it, but it was around the area where coaches tell you to go to do some damage. Now going back to the issue of the fight being fixed, if so how does this turnout play out in the future? What if the outcome was different would it mean less money for the losing fighter in future fights? Obviously if it was fixed both fighters was in on it ?

The controversy of the fight having been fixed and the people in on it will snowball for months and years to come and the answers shall be a lot less convincing than the explanations given now. Time, as it rolls on, sometimes has this nasty habit of making a hazy scene even fuzzier. RE how much money the loser and the winner get in future fights, we'll know as soon as some promoter comes up with $$$$$ and terms that Hop and The Oscar find too hard to resist and ones that could make some of us giddy, angry, puke or all of the above and then some. It could be sooner than we bargain for...! So, let's get ready to grumbleeeeeee!

[Atman]

The controversy of the fight having been fixed and the people in on it will snowball for months and years to come

No it won't. Among boxers, trainers, writers, and those knowledgable on how dehabilitating a liver shot can be, there IS no controversy.

Again, look at the 9th round of the Allen fight. Allen was hurt by the EXACT SAME PUNCH. The fact that he didn't drop down to the canvas screaming like Oscar did can be attributed to him being a huge middleweight with a muscular build.

[grayfist]

No it won't. Among boxers, trainers, writers, and those knowledgable on how dehabilitating a liver shot can be, there IS no controversy.

Again, look at the 9th round of the Allen fight. Allen was hurt by the EXACT SAME PUNCH. The fact that he didn't drop down to the canvas screaming like Oscar did can be attributed to him being a huge middleweight with a muscular build.

For as long as opinions varry and the volume is considerable, there will always be controversy. Unless one just turns deaf to it; or closes one's eyes, clicks one's heels together and wishes it away...