SHOCKING!!! The punches Compubox counted for Golovkin. GIFS

[Almighty Sosa]

whilst some of your posts i disagree with, this is a top notch thread !!

[haute-KO]

[pesticid]

Idk what could be misleading about facts if Compubox did produce a 100% or as close as one can reasonably expect 100% version of punch stat numbers a week or so later. Its just numbers of what happened.

When you start going from there saying this means that or this doesn't mean that thats when you get in trouble with facts. Canelo threw x punches. Canelo got hit with x punches. Those would be facts like how much money you make each year or what grade your kid got on her history test. What you take away from Canelo throwing x punches & getting hit with x punches, your yearly income or your kids history grade would be a more subjective thing & debatable based on what you or I or anyone else would take away from those facts. Thats how facts work everywhere any damn way.

This isn't as complicated as some of you make it out to be. If grazed punches count or don't count you put that in the disclaimer at the bottom of the facts as counted. Hell you can count the grazed punches separately if you want. There are multiple ways to go about this if Compubox took the time to double down & prove or disprove how accurate their punch stat numbers are.

And I believe a +/- top ten list created from those more accurate after the fight numbers would be a more powerful & meaningful P4P-like ranking then the current sci-fi fantasy bs P4P list.

Dude this isn't an objective sport and you can't put stats to it the way you do with baseball where a hit is a hit and a homerun is homerun and so and so forth. That's why you have judges and not scores the way you do in basketball and football. So yeah compubox stats no matter how perfect you try to make them do no paint the whole picture and if you go back to my original post and read the part you didn't quote maybe you'll stop making excuses for compubox or trying to make it perfect.

[Papa Smurf]

[Lester Tutor]

Dude this isn't an objective sport and you can't put stats to it the way you do with baseball where a hit is a hit and a homerun is homerun and so and so forth. That's why you have judges and not scores the way you do in basketball and football. So yeah compubox stats no matter how perfect you try to make them do no paint the whole picture and if you go back to my original post and read the part you didn't quote maybe you'll stop making excuses for compubox or trying to make it perfect.

So did compubox fanboys, the HBO interns pressing them buttons, just casually tap the landed punches when GGG was missing?

GGG did do an all time high, but the fight was dope

[Citizen Koba]

LOL at that 181-82 bs video by the producer of "Canelo's Dumbest Moments" that people are still pushing.

And sure OP you can look at clips & see failures in compubox. EVEN COMPUBOX says they aren't 100% right. I don't know why people jack off to these numbers not being 100% correct like they do.

Personally I'd like to see Compubox do a companion count AFTER the fight taking their sweet ass time on slomo or frame by frame & get "the real numbers" to compare with their "in the moment numbers" so there could be some honest & legit 100% or at least closer to 100% numbers cuz even on tape it might not be 100% conclusive to see if a punch landed from the available angles.

But mainly I think that'd shut the f#ck up of these dummies who keep acting like Compubox is some biblical sh^t or these other dummies who act like it doesn't mean anything. As usual a lot of boxing fans gotta believe one extreme or the other it seems lol, when the truth as virtually always lives in the middle.

You seen these guys. I think the guy that runs the site posts on here from time to time - spoke with him once or twice. They go through the fights in slow mo and record every punch by type. Problem is there's only like the one guy plus one or two who help out from time to time so they can't really stay even vaguely up to date and only cover a few fights (if indeed they're still doing at all - haven't checked recently).

EDIT: Well they were quick off the mark with this one - obviously I can't guarantee their accuracy but having swapped posts with the guy he certainly comes off as a bit of a stickler for detail (by which I mean a bit obsessive) - anyway...

[Eff Pandas]

Dude this isn't an objective sport and you can't put stats to it the way you do with baseball where a hit is a hit and a homerun is homerun and so and so forth. That's why you have judges and not scores the way you do in basketball and football. So yeah compubox stats no matter how perfect you try to make them do no paint the whole picture and if you go back to my original post and read the part you didn't quote maybe you'll stop making excuses for compubox or trying to make it perfect.

What difference does jabs landed make or power punches thrown make? They are just numbers. Thats all they are.

They aren't doing anything except saying what two guys did with their hands based upon two people compiling numbers from what they saw as best as they could see it. Kinda like stat guys do in baseball or any sport. Thing is they'll actually change stats in other sports when they can deem via corrections they'll find & Compubox doesn't put out a correction version of their live stats which is a problem cuz obviously one can gauge more accurate stats via watching a fight slower & with the ability to rewind or double check vs in live action where a blink or a sneeze or a slight hesitation could cuz error.

Its when fans + pundits + announcers start doing things with those numbers to start to surmise other things is when you get into stranger & potentially troubling territory, but there are things worth surmising in those numbers for fans + pundits + announcers, but its not necessarily who won the fight with that incomplete info you have in those facts.

So they are just numbers that tell a story of what two guys did with their hands over 36 or less minutes that others may or may not be able to derive information from usually based on their intelligence in taking those numbers as seriously or not as seriously as they need to be for any particular situation cuz anyone saying that x + y = z every single time with boxing stats would be a mfer who don't know sh^t about boxing nor boxing stats. In fact I'd go so far to say there are no boxing stat experts yet or there are damn near hidden like a *** in 1940's Germany cuz the boxing stat market has barely been created.

Meanwhile the UFC is putting microchips in gloves soon & talk about stats all the time which mfers nerd out on with while boxing fans are still ******* off over fantasyland ATG bs & MMA throws away old heros like every other sport does which is the winning plan. Boxing is ran by a bunch of old mfers who have no ability to see what the world is becoming. Information is running everything & boxing keeps trying to say information is bad. And that sh^t is just a dumb stance.

More information is never bad & thats all Compubox provides. If some fans can't handle that info & wanna act like certain other facts are real cuz at some point Compubox does come out with 100% or nearly 100% numbers say whatever they say their opinion will live or die on how logical how legit it happens to be in that specific scenario & nothing more. And maybe most will agree with him & some won't, maybe it'll be vice versa, but thats that persons own lil spin on the facts he'll be looking at. So basiclly its not THAT f#cking serious & just gives boxing fans + pundits + commentators more to talk about thats not fantasyland sci fi P4P or ATG bs.

[Eff Pandas]

You seen these guys. I think the guy that runs the site posts on here from time to time - spoke with him once or twice. They go through the fights in slow mo and record every punch by type. Problem is there's only like the one guy plus one or two who help out from time to time so they can't really stay even vaguely up to date and only cover a few fights (if indeed they're still doing at all - haven't checked recently).

EDIT: Well they were quick off the mark with this one - obviously I can't guarantee their accuracy but having swapped posts with the guy he certainly comes off as a bit of a stickler for detail (by which I mean a bit obsessive) - anyway...

Interesting. Thanks for heads upping me to this site. I actually think I've heard of them, but it was awhile back & I wasn't impressed with what they were doing back then or didn't fully check it out cuz I like what I'm seeing now.

And this is the sorta sh^t I'm talking about. All this stuff is just information. What you do with that information is your own business & I think this stuff has never really been looked at THAT much for some universal truths or lies to be discovered & these numbers appreciated for just their numberness lol if that makes any sense.

I mean no one should really care who gots the most doubles in baseball, but its a part of baseball history all the same. And I think some lil piece of boxing history gets lost in any information about this sport not being compiled. I mean look at old time boxers records now. Some of those guys' records are lost to history or incomplete. Some great fighters have never been on tape for us to enjoy now. Thats a shame to the sport those guys weren't appreciated properly during there time & for us to fully discuss their greatness now in more ways then the fantasyland sci fi bs ways we can now which for some of these guys is based off of dead boxing writers opinions in the worst cases. Going into a bit of a rant here, but I don't know how some cats can't see the upside in knowing more about boxing via anything we can know more by doing like punch stats + adding microchips to gloves to gauge power better & other sh^t people can speculate on moving forward.

And randomly interesting to see some differently sourced compiled punch stat numbers.

For anyone not looking at this link.

Jabs:
Alvarez 110/270 (40.7%)
Golovkin 183/459 (39.9%)

Power (they actually break them down in hooks, uppercuts & crosses unlike Compubox, but I'm adding them all up for purposes of comparing to Compubox):
Alvarez 93/281 (33.0%)
Golovkin 84/303 (27.7%)

Total:
Alvarez 203/551 (36.8%)
Golovkin 267/762 (35.0%)

vs Compubox
Jabs:
Alvarez 55/233 (23.6%) 55 landed less, 37 thrown less
Golovkin 108/361 (29.9%) 75 landed less, 98 thrown less

Power:
Alvarez 114/272 (41.9%) 21 landed more, 9 thrown less
Golovkin 110/342 (32.2%) 26 landed more, 39 thrown more

Total:
Alvarez 169/505 (33.5%) 34 landed less, 46 thrown less
Golovkin 218/703 (31.0%) 49 landed less, 59 thrown less

I mean holy f#ck looking at the disparity between seemingly fair parties to both sides. Its really interesting the difference in jabs which is GREAT to say the least. Someone is doing something different here obviously.

[Robbie Barrett]

You seen these guys. I think the guy that runs the site posts on here from time to time - spoke with him once or twice. They go through the fights in slow mo and record every punch by type. Problem is there's only like the one guy plus one or two who help out from time to time so they can't really stay even vaguely up to date and only cover a few fights (if indeed they're still doing at all - haven't checked recently).

EDIT: Well they were quick off the mark with this one - obviously I can't guarantee their accuracy but having swapped posts with the guy he certainly comes off as a bit of a stickler for detail (by which I mean a bit obsessive) - anyway...

I don't think either fighter landed that much. Must be counting punches to arms or something.

[Radrook]

I personally counted the punches and compubox estimates are ridiculously wrong!

Golovkin punches landed only 211 and missed 342.

Canelo landed 257. That's 46 more punches than GGG.

Here are GGG's punches landed by round:

1. = 4

2. = 12

3. =23

4. = 17

5 = 29

6. = 27

7. = 22

8. =26

9. =37

10. =34

11. =16

12. = 17


Golovkin missed 131 more punches than he landed.

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Effective aggression? LOL!
GGG punches missed per round:

1. = 28
2. = 32
3. = 33
4. = 30
5. = 28
6. = 29
7. = 30
8. = 25.
9. = 34
10. = 18
11. = 20
12. = 35

Total punches missed = 342

BTW

Talk about being a wWindmill?
Obviously Canelo was robbed. Teddy Atlas saw Pacman winning against Horn yet Pacman did far less scoring against Horn than Canelo did against GGG. Which makes one wonder why is Atlas suddenly so inconsistent in his criteria.

They say GGG was coming forward, but forward while missing constantly and being countered isn't controlling the fight. It is getting hit while coming forward.


They also said Canelo ran? They call it dancing when SRL, MA, SP, and Lomachenko do it but it's running when Canelo does it? Furthermore, Canelo stood right I front of GGG whenever he chose to and exchanged punches. During those moments GGG got the worse of it as well getting hit with uppercuts, hooks to the body and head.

He never hurt Canelo.e Canelo hurt him twice to the body and wobbled him to the head. He made GGG look clumsy, slow ad amateurish.


Here is a fair assessment of what really happened: