No Idea How Some Folks Score A Fight

[koolkc107]

Round 4 for Canelo ?
That was the round that started to turn things in favour of GGG.

It was a close round I gave to Canelo just as the 5th and 10th were close rounds I wound up giving to Triple G.

I had Canelo winning but I get someone scoring a draw or 115-113 Golovkin.

Reminds me of the first Kovalev-Ward fight except Canelo never saw the canvas or was rocked as much as Andre was early.

[koolkc107]

Canelo lost in every creteria: defense, aggression, ring generalship, and landed punches.

8-4 Golovkin.

He landed 4 more total powershots than Triple G, and outlanded him in powershots 7 of the 12 rounds.

And frankly, Canelo's shots were cleaner, landing more flush and for the most part looking like the harder shots.

[LetOutTheCage]

It isn't rocket science, folks.

4 Criteria:

Ring Generalship
Effective Aggression
Defense
Hard Clean Punches

I gave Golovkin Ring Generalship. He dictated the pace and how the fight was fought. But, it is the only one of the 4 criteria he won.

Canelo was not aggressive, seeking to move and counter. But, while Golovkin did cut the ring off beautifully all night, there often was zero payoff when he trapped Canelo on the ropes. I think this was the biggest factor in the fight. Golovkin had mixed results at best when he got Canelo where he wanted him.

When it comes to Defense, it isn't close. Saul constantly thwarted Golovkin when Gennady got close, blocking most of what Golovkin threw, and rolling most of what got thru. By contrast, it seemed that Canelo could flurry and throw in combination whenever he got ready- granted, there were rounds where he did not throw as much as he should have.

Hard Clean Punches was won far and away by Canelo. The fact that Golovkin walked right thru most of them doesn't mean you do not score them. And while Golovkin did land some heavy shots of his own, they were not as clean as Saul's shots nor did they come as often as Canelos. Gennady did display an pretty effective jab at times, but it was also often superfluous as Canelo was moving away too much of the time for it to score as landed.

I had it 7 rounds to 5 for Canelo.

Saul won rounds 1 thru 4, round 6, and the championship rounds 11 and 12.

I had Golovkin taking 5, and rounds 7 thru 10.

3 of the rounds I gave Golovkin (5,7, and 10) were close enough to have been scored the other way.

Only one of the rounds I gave Canelo (4) might have gone for Golovkin.

My guess is in the rematch, Canelo will win a clear and wide decision.

One thing he can do is get in good enough shape to throw more punches more often- which I grant may be much harder than it sounds.

The other thing he can do is look to flurry, then tie up Golovkin more often, keeping things in the middle of the ring more.

P.S.- I can't help thinking that what Jacobs did to Golovkin is looking better all the time.

P.S. II- I know folks are up in arms over Adelaide Byrd's scorecard. 118-110 is absurd. But, that doesn't mean you could not score the fight for Canelo. If she had turned in a card of 115-113 for Saul, we would have the same result. Let's not get so carried away by what is clearly a corrupt or inept judge that we lose sight of the fact that, of the many possible outcomes, a draw was quite within the realm of acceptability.

You say Canelo blocked and rolled most of GGG's punches yet he could land his punches at will. Can you explain then why he was out landed overall and crucially was out landed in almost every round?

[koolkc107]

You say Canelo blocked and rolled most of GGG's punches yet he could land his punches at will. Can you explain then why he was out landed overall and crucially was out landed in almost every round?

Canelo chose to move and counter, which means he wasn't going to use his jab as often as usual.

Clearly against a guy jabbing while coming forward, he stood a good chance of being outlanded in overall punches, especially if he compounded things by only fighting in spurts.

What YOU have to explain is how you scored jabs not often landed cleanly over flush powershots.

Canelo landed more powershots in 7 of the 12 rounds and even in many of the rounds he was outlanded in power, his shots were simply better scoring punches.

Every judge is taught that simply moving forward is not enough.
The aggression has to be effective. Punches have to be landed and they should be landed cleanly.

Golovkin failing to land cleanly was a consistent refrain in the fight.

And, Golovkin was made to miss almost 500 punches.

Defense counts; that's why it is one of the 4 scoring criteria.

[LetOutTheCage]

Canelo chose to move and counter, which means he wasn't going to use his jab as often as usual.

Clearly against a guy jabbing while coming forward, he stood a good chance of being outlanded in overall punches, especially if he compounded things by only fighting in spurts.

What YOU have to explain is how you scored jabs not often landed cleanly over flush powershots.

Canelo landed more powershots in 7 of the 12 rounds and even in many of the rounds he was outlanded in power, his shots were simply better scoring punches.

Every judge is taught that simply moving forward is not enough.
The aggression has to be effective. Punches have to be landed and they should be landed cleanly.

Golovkin failing to land cleanly was a consistent refrain in the fight.

And, Golovkin was made to miss almost 500 punches.

Defense counts; that's why it is one of the 4 scoring criteria.

Lol what? those jabs not often landing were consistently knocking Canelo's head back. Power punches is one aspect, you seem to have a hard time including the other scoring shots that landed why is that?

[Vasyl’s dad]

yeah, the vast majority of rounds....

Due to Golovkins effective aggression as he controlled the pace of the fight.

[Dean_Razorback]

canelo wasn't even smart enough to try to steal the rounds from GGG, he always let him close the rounds strong. he would fight for like 40 seconds or a minute and then just backed down doing nothing.

how can anyone give him 6 rounds (let alone 7 or more) is beyond me

[Ray*]

I dont think Canelo aggression was effective at all nor do i think GGG aggression effective, but if i have to give one fighter that make then it would be GGG. Ring generalship GGG because he was able to walk Canelo down but he was headhunting instead of going to the body, Canelo i would give the defence to just because i physically see him palming away GGG shots, ducking and doing all this matrix stuff, and finally i also give Canelo the hard clean punches, problem was he was facing a robot who just kept coming at him.

All in all a draw was the right result, no need to cry over a split milk. They both deserve their rest and they can do it again and make some more money.

[Red_Menace]

Here's my scorecard with the name of the winner under each round (A = Alvarez, G = Golovkin):

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
A A ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[koolkc107]

Lol what? those jabs not often landing were consistently knocking Canelo's head back. Power punches is one aspect, you seem to have a hard time including the other scoring shots that landed why is that?

Because many of those jabs missed or were partially blocked.

Yes, Golovkin came forward and jabbed, well at times.

But, G MISSED his jab OVER 250 times!!!!

He WHIFFED on OVER 230 powershots.

That was VERY noticeable.

And, last I checked, you don't get points for windmills.

But, you DO get them for Defense, which Canelo showed.