Comments Thread For: Roach: Not Sure If Pacquiao is Mad at Me - I Haven't Been Paid

[ironmt]

hold on, Mr Subject Changer.....

you said this.....

" Pacquiao's final proposal, there would be unlimited urine testing, one scheduled blood test during the week of the kick off press conference, one random blood test up to 14 days before the fight "

FACT: let the record show, that was complete rubbish, you made that up

I told you that this subject has been done to death

what you did not realize is, it has been done to death by me

you picked the wrong guy to try that on, I remember exactly what happened




secondly.....

FACT: Mayweather losing in court, did not prove that Manny was clean

it proved that Mayweather could not prove that Pac was dirty

there is only one test that could have proved that Pac was clean, and he refused to take it

nothing you said changes one single fact in the post below







but you wish to ignore the MOUNTAIN of evidence above, and accuse Mayweather of steroid abuse because his father was a crack dealer..... which is random as fk

let me show you an example

answer your own question yourself.....

a fighter that has a history of using ILLEGAL DRUGS (Meth and Coke) as a PRO (Manny turned pro @ 16) all the way up "Until I became Champion" would be more likely or less likely to use Performance Enhancement Drugs?

..... if the answer is " yes ", then why are you ignoring Pacquiao and making up stories about Mayweather?

like I said on the other thread..... a pacfan should NEVER attempt to criticize Mayweather for.....

* opponent selection
* weight manipulation
* steroid abuse

..... because Pacquiao is MUCH worse !!

I would suggest that you criticize him for dressing like a f@g, and for smacking his b1tches around

My entire point Is this, Floyd fans criticize Paquiao daily on this board and It Is Ironic because everything that Pacquiao Is criticized for, Floyd Is also guilty of.

Pacquiao has fought at catch weights, Floyd also has.(Regardless of the number of fights)
Pacquiao has sent up red flags for PEDS, Floyd also has.(IV and three claimed failed tests)
Pacquiao has tax Issues, Floyd has tax Issues.

I don't know where you are from but In America we are Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Why do you think Floyd was willing to settle with Pacquiao finacially? Do you think Floyd gave him money just to give It to him?

I have no reason to make anything up. I am a fan, but nothing these guys do In their personal lives affects mine. With your reaction to Floyd's tax Issues and your sudden anger and name calling over Floyd being called out on the very same Issues that Pacquiao Is called out on daily, Is telling. I would argue that you are personally and deeply affected by It, which In and of Itself seems strange.

Pacquiao says he would now be willing to take a blood test 14 days ahead of any fight with his American rival, as long as, my opponent does the same, and it is not a lot of blood, just enough to test.
I do not want anyone having an unfair advantage where someone may get hurt. I am willing to do my part to help this sport out.

Manny Pacquiao also stated, he is willing to take blood immediately after the fight in his locker room.

He said he is willing to be tested even on the night of the fight. "No problem," he said. "Even the night of the fight. No problem."

"He [Mayweather] will no longer have a reason [not to fight]," added Pacquiao. "Let's see if that is really the reason."

As long as he was willing to be tested after the fight, what Is the Issue?

As long as posters like yourself see It fit to bash one guy for certain offenses I am going to make sure that the other guy Is also held accountable for the very same offenses.

In reality It would be a much better forum If we could all recognize what both Floyd and Manny have accomplished and show them both the proper respect they deserve. But this forum Is not reality, I have been here since 2006, It Is only getting worse.

As far as resumes are concerned, that Is simply an opinion.

My opinion Is that Pacquiao's wins over Barrera and Morales *****s anything on Floyd's resume. Why do you get offended by that comment? I would be willing to bet that the majority on this board or any board for that matter would agree with that statement.

Your opinion Is that Marquez and Canelo are equivalent to Barrera and Morales and than said that Floyd took away from his own accomplishment by fighting Canelo at a catch weight.

[The Problem Child]

Manny should have unloaded on Roach right then and there. I am sorry, it sounds harsh, but I would have done that if I was Manny.

[aboutfkntime]

My entire point Is this, Floyd fans criticize Paquiao daily on this board and It Is Ironic because everything that Pacquiao Is criticized for, Floyd Is also guilty of.

Pacquiao has fought at catch weights, Floyd also has.(Regardless of the number of fights)
Pacquiao has sent up red flags for PEDS, Floyd also has.(IV and three claimed failed tests)
Pacquiao has tax Issues, Floyd has tax Issues.

I don't know where you are from but In America we are Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Why do you think Floyd was willing to settle with Pacquiao finacially? Do you think Floyd gave him money just to give It to him?

I have no reason to make anything up. I am a fan, but nothing these guys do In their personal lives affects mine. With your reaction to Floyd's tax Issues and your sudden anger and name calling over Floyd being called out on the very same Issues that Pacquiao Is called out on daily, Is telling. I would argue that you are personally and deeply affected by It, which In and of Itself seems strange.

Pacquiao says he would now be willing to take a blood test 14 days ahead of any fight with his American rival, as long as, my opponent does the same, and it is not a lot of blood, just enough to test.
I do not want anyone having an unfair advantage where someone may get hurt. I am willing to do my part to help this sport out.

Manny Pacquiao also stated, he is willing to take blood immediately after the fight in his locker room.

He said he is willing to be tested even on the night of the fight. "No problem," he said. "Even the night of the fight. No problem."

"He [Mayweather] will no longer have a reason [not to fight]," added Pacquiao. "Let's see if that is really the reason."

As long as he was willing to be tested after the fight, what Is the Issue?

As long as posters like yourself see It fit to bash one guy for certain offenses I am going to make sure that the other guy Is also held accountable for the very same offenses.

In reality It would be a much better forum If we could all recognize what both Floyd and Manny have accomplished and show them both the proper respect they deserve. But this forum Is not reality, I have been here since 2006, It Is only getting worse.

As far as resumes are concerned, that Is simply an opinion.

My opinion Is that Pacquiao's wins over Barrera and Morales *****s anything on Floyd's resume. Why do you get offended by that comment? I would be willing to bet that the majority on this board or any board for that matter would agree with that statement.

Your opinion Is that Marquez and Canelo are equivalent to Barrera and Morales and than said that Floyd took away from his own accomplishment by fighting Canelo at a catch weight.

Pacquiao fans have BASHED Mayweather for YEARS

and they have BASHED a LOT of other fighters as well

all I am saying is, a Pacquiao fan who criticizes Mayweather for.....

* opponent selection
* weight manipulation
* steroid abuse

..... is fkn dreaming, because Pacquiao is MUCH worse

find another reason to BASH Mayweather, there are plenty

..... I have no reason to make anything up......

are you sure..... ?

..... Pacquiao says he would now be willing to take a blood test 14 days ahead of any fight.....

you totally made that up

FACT: the fight died over 10 days

Mayweather gave Pacquiao a 14-day cut-off.....which is absurd, because there is no such thing as a cut-off date for OSDT's..... OSDT's are right up until the date of the fight

a " cut-off date " is a mannyism, Pac completely made that up

Pacquiao Will Agree To Drug Testing, With The 24-Day Cut
"The negotiations fell apart earlier this year when Mayweather refused to give Pacquiao a 24-day cut-off on the testing. Mayweather wanted a 14-day cut-off."
//krikya360.com/pacquiao-...day-cut--27427


you pacfans need to forget.....

* opponent selection
* weight manipulation
* steroid abuse

find another reason to BASH Mayweather, there are plenty

the main reason why you guys have no credibility, is because you totally ignored the facts in the post below.....

1)
FACT: Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests....
FACT: random blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: there is ONLY one reason to avoid random blood tests
FACT: in the amateurs, if you avoid/obstruct a drug test, you.....
* are immediately judged guilty
* you are stripped
* you are banned


2)
Pacquiao gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses to avoid random blood tests, which is beyond absurd..... we needed one genuine reason, but we got 8 childish excuses..... the only reason why we got 8 childish excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

then SUDDENLY, those 8 ridiculous excuses up and disappeared without a trace, and were never mentioned ONCE when Pac finally agreed to testing

come on kid, tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed..... this will be funny..... come on, tell us which one of those ridiculous excuses worked for you, so that we can see how you roll


3)
FACT: Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history at 40lbs

the highest recorded weight-gain in recorded history is 41lbs....

and it was made by a HEAVYWEIGHT who used steroids to get there

FACT: Pacquiao is a fkn midget compared to Roy Jones Jnr..... when Jones gained 41lbs, he was cheating...... and yet when Pacquiao gained 40lbs, you think that he was clean..... right ?

it is soooo clearly obvious what happened, but not to you, right?

Pac is the size of one of Jones legs, you muppet


4)
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....

Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza

immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny looked rejuvenated/revitalized, and a completely different fighter

and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw

what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....

Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests

LMAO

5)
a number of knowledgeable insiders, all of which are extremely knowledgeable and extremely experienced, have stated that Pacquiao was juicing..... from Atlas to Mayweather to Malignaggi to Mosley, and a number of fighters in/around wildcard

it is only you who failed to notice..... why is that ?





so, we have covered the cherry-picking, and the steroids.....
..... are you ready to move on to the weight manipulation yet... ?

be honest, when Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests, he gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses.....

..... which one of those ridiculous excuses did you believe..... ?

serious question, why do you think Pac refused blood testing ?

[ironmt]

Pacquiao fans have BASHED Mayweather for YEARS

and they have BASHED a LOT of other fighters as well

all I am saying is, a Pacquiao fan who criticizes Mayweather for.....

* opponent selection
* weight manipulation
* steroid abuse

..... is fkn dreaming, because Pacquiao is MUCH worse

find another reason to BASH Mayweather, there are plenty





are you sure..... ?





you totally made that up

FACT: the fight died over 10 days

Mayweather gave Pacquiao a 14-day cut-off.....which is absurd, because there is no such thing as a cut-off date for OSDT's..... OSDT's are right up until the date of the fight

a " cut-off date " is a mannyism, Pac completely made that up

Pacquiao Will Agree To Drug Testing, With The 24-Day Cut
"The negotiations fell apart earlier this year when Mayweather refused to give Pacquiao a 24-day cut-off on the testing. Mayweather wanted a 14-day cut-off."
//krikya360.com/pacquiao-...day-cut--27427


you pacfans need to forget.....

* opponent selection
* weight manipulation
* steroid abuse

find another reason to BASH Mayweather, there are plenty

the main reason why you guys have no credibility, is because you totally ignored the facts in the post below.....







be honest, when Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests, he gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses.....

..... which one of those ridiculous excuses did you believe..... ?

serious question, why do you think Pac refused blood testing ?

Dude, you are a biased poster, that Is the bottom line. I don't make things up, everything that I have claimed In my posts can easily be verified form Mayweather paying Pacquiao $114,000 to Pacquiao agreeing to a 14 day cut off along with being willing to test Immediately following the fight. Anyone on this board who feels that what I claimed Is Incorrect or fabricated can attempt to prove those comments wrong with facts not opinions.

You can never prove that Pacquiao was on PEDS. So why continue to make Insinuations?

Fact......Floyd promised Margarito that he would fight him in the future when it made smarter business sense. Before that Floyd said he’d fight Margarito any time any where just as long as Bob Arum showed him the money.

Fact......Floyd said after the Mosley fight he wanted to fight the best, just line ’em up. Floyd has said numerous times he doesn’t duck or dodge anyone. Floyd called Miguel Cotto a “punching bag” and said that Cotto knew he couldn’t beat me, but when Cotto challenged Floyd to a fight in 2008, Floyd backed out and had Ellerbe tell the New York Post that Cotto’s PPV numbers weren’t good enough.

Fact........While desperately trying to duck Margarito with all his excuses and reasons in 2006, Floyd did not once ever insinuate or imply that Margarito was a cheater. But last week on Sirius Radio Shade 45 with DJ Whoo Kid, Mayweather revised his own duck tales and claimed he tried his best to alert the boxing world that Margarito was a cheater.

Fact..........In 2005, Mayweather called out Winky Wright. The details were hammered out: the bout would be at 154lbs but weigh-ins would be the morning of the bout rather than the day before and Wright would not be allowed to gain more than eight pounds between weighing in and the start of the contest. But Mayweather and Bob Arum suddenly pulled out, demanding changes to the purse-split and other such things until the bout was dead in the water. He chose to take on Sharmba Mitchell instead.

Fact............In 2007-08, Cotto was the next best welterweight in the world behind Mayweather. Instead of fighting Cotto he signed to fight a pointless rematch with De La Hoya. Mayweather ducked the 2007-2008 Cotto period.

Fact.............Castillo should have been given the victory In the first fight

Fact..............Oscar and Mosley were both on the downsides of their career. Same logic applies when Pacquiao fought them.

Fact..............The Hatton bout was at 147lbs rather than 140lb, where Hatton was more effective.

Fact..............Marquez had never fought above the 135-pound lightweight limit before fighting Floyd at 144 pounds. Mayweather was fined $300,000 per pound for weighing 146 pounds.

Fact........When asked about his advantages over opponents, Floyd told Tribune.com.ng, “Like I said before, I’ve never fought a guy at a catchweight. I don’t fight guys at catchweights. I don’t plaster my gloves. These are things I don’t do, because I’m not that type of guy.

Fact..........Floyd fought Cotto when he was past his best. Same logic applies to Pacquiao.

Fact........... Floyd forced Canelo to fight at a catch weight.

Fact.........Floyd Mayweather says he did NOT beat his baby mama in 2010 -- despite the fact he was CONVICTED -- claiming the woman has been lying through her teeth for years.

Fact...... Floyd told Brian Kenny he’s never seen Pacquiao fight (Floyd himself told me directly years earlier that Pacquiao was one of his favorite fighters to watch, “He packs a helluva punch,” said Floyd.)

Fact.........Floyd claims he Isn't racist, "It's total disrespect and today he came out and did it again," Mayweather said. "I don't care if it's white women, black women, white men, black men, Asian, Latina or Latino -- you don't disrespect people. Yet says the following, "As soon as we come off vacation, we're going to cook that little yellow chump. I'll make that mother f----- make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice."

When Tribune.com.ng asked Floyd about his plans to implement mandatory Olympic style random blood and urine testing, he replied, “Like I said before, let’s do it on an even playing field; that’s what I truly believe. I think that Manny Pacquiao has done a lot in the sport, but he should also stand behind me and say ‘We should clean up the sport because I’m a clean athlete.’ So I’m letting the world know that Floyd Mayweather is a clean athlete, and if you’re the best, step up and take the test.”

Yes, folks, Floyd Mayweather is letting every inhabitant of planet Earth know that he is a clean athlete. The problem is, Floyd is only doing “catchweight” testing – random testing ONLY when he is in training. Floyd’s version of Olympic style random testing isn’t even “the real deal Holyfield” because “the real deal Holyfield” Olympic Style random testing consists of year-round testing. This means the fighter is getting tested randomly during peak and off-peak periods, during season and during the off-season, during training and outside of training. Basically, it’s testing 365-24-7. And Floyd does not do this. So how can he say with a clear conscience that he is truly “cleaning up the sport” for the good of the sport?

Who has this man legitimately beat that was a prime fighter that he didn't force a catch weight on or who wasn't weight drained?

The two fights that you claim make Mayweather's resume equivalent to Pacquiao's(Canelo and Marquez) were fought at catch weights that benefited Floyd. Yes, the Marquez fight benefited Floyd being that It was his first fight above 135 pounds. So again, who on Floyd's resume tops Morales and Barrera?


As I said, everything you accuse Pacquiao of, Mayweather Is also guilty of. It's rather comical that you justify It by saying "much worse"

If two people rob someone and one gets away with more money, Is the one who made off with the most money, a much worse criminal? Lol, you are ridiculous.

[aboutfkntime]

Dude, you are a biased poster, that Is the bottom line. I don't make things up, everything that I have claimed In my posts can easily be verified form Mayweather paying Pacquiao $114,000 to Pacquiao agreeing to a 14 day cut off along with being willing to test Immediately following the fight. Anyone on this board who feels that what I claimed Is Incorrect or fabricated can attempt to prove those comments wrong with facts not opinions.

You can never prove that Pacquiao was on PEDS. So why continue to make Insinuations?

Fact......Floyd promised Margarito that he would fight him in the future when it made smarter business sense. Before that Floyd said he’d fight Margarito any time any where just as long as Bob Arum showed him the money.

Fact......Floyd said after the Mosley fight he wanted to fight the best, just line ’em up. Floyd has said numerous times he doesn’t duck or dodge anyone. Floyd called Miguel Cotto a “punching bag” and said that Cotto knew he couldn’t beat me, but when Cotto challenged Floyd to a fight in 2008, Floyd backed out and had Ellerbe tell the New York Post that Cotto’s PPV numbers weren’t good enough.

Fact........While desperately trying to duck Margarito with all his excuses and reasons in 2006, Floyd did not once ever insinuate or imply that Margarito was a cheater. But last week on Sirius Radio Shade 45 with DJ Whoo Kid, Mayweather revised his own duck tales and claimed he tried his best to alert the boxing world that Margarito was a cheater.

Fact..........In 2005, Mayweather called out Winky Wright. The details were hammered out: the bout would be at 154lbs but weigh-ins would be the morning of the bout rather than the day before and Wright would not be allowed to gain more than eight pounds between weighing in and the start of the contest. But Mayweather and Bob Arum suddenly pulled out, demanding changes to the purse-split and other such things until the bout was dead in the water. He chose to take on Sharmba Mitchell instead.

Fact............In 2007-08, Cotto was the next best welterweight in the world behind Mayweather. Instead of fighting Cotto he signed to fight a pointless rematch with De La Hoya. Mayweather ducked the 2007-2008 Cotto period.

Fact.............Castillo should have been given the victory In the first fight

Fact..............Oscar and Mosley were both on the downsides of their career. Same logic applies when Pacquiao fought them.

Fact..............The Hatton bout was at 147lbs rather than 140lb, where Hatton was more effective.

Fact..............Marquez had never fought above the 135-pound lightweight limit before fighting Floyd at 144 pounds. Mayweather was fined $300,000 per pound for weighing 146 pounds.

Fact........When asked about his advantages over opponents, Floyd told Tribune.com.ng, “Like I said before, I’ve never fought a guy at a catchweight. I don’t fight guys at catchweights. I don’t plaster my gloves. These are things I don’t do, because I’m not that type of guy.

Fact..........Floyd fought Cotto when he was past his best. Same logic applies to Pacquiao.

Fact........... Floyd forced Canelo to fight at a catch weight.

Fact.........Floyd Mayweather says he did NOT beat his baby mama in 2010 -- despite the fact he was CONVICTED -- claiming the woman has been lying through her teeth for years.

Fact...... Floyd told Brian Kenny he’s never seen Pacquiao fight (Floyd himself told me directly years earlier that Pacquiao was one of his favorite fighters to watch, “He packs a helluva punch,” said Floyd.)

Fact.........Floyd claims he Isn't racist, "It's total disrespect and today he came out and did it again," Mayweather said. "I don't care if it's white women, black women, white men, black men, Asian, Latina or Latino -- you don't disrespect people. Yet says the following, "As soon as we come off vacation, we're going to cook that little yellow chump. I'll make that mother f----- make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice."

When Tribune.com.ng asked Floyd about his plans to implement mandatory Olympic style random blood and urine testing, he replied, “Like I said before, let’s do it on an even playing field; that’s what I truly believe. I think that Manny Pacquiao has done a lot in the sport, but he should also stand behind me and say ‘We should clean up the sport because I’m a clean athlete.’ So I’m letting the world know that Floyd Mayweather is a clean athlete, and if you’re the best, step up and take the test.”

Yes, folks, Floyd Mayweather is letting every inhabitant of planet Earth know that he is a clean athlete. The problem is, Floyd is only doing “catchweight” testing – random testing ONLY when he is in training. Floyd’s version of Olympic style random testing isn’t even “the real deal Holyfield” because “the real deal Holyfield” Olympic Style random testing consists of year-round testing. This means the fighter is getting tested randomly during peak and off-peak periods, during season and during the off-season, during training and outside of training. Basically, it’s testing 365-24-7. And Floyd does not do this. So how can he say with a clear conscience that he is truly “cleaning up the sport” for the good of the sport?

Who has this man legitimately beat that was a prime fighter or that he didn't force a catch weight on?

The two fights that you claim make Mayweather's resume equivalent to Pacquiao's were fought at catch weights that benefited Floyd. So again who on Floyd's resume tops Morales and Barrera?


As I said, everything you accuse Pacquiao of, Mayweather Is also guilty of. It's rather comical that you justify It by saying "much worse"

If two people rob someone and one gets away with more money, Is the one who made off with the most money, a much worse criminal? Lol, you are ridiculous.

kid, this is how real life works.....

if you claim that your statement is true, then provide proof

like I did

you are talking utter rubbish.....

you stated that Pacquiao agreed to a 14-day cutoff

I provided categoric proof that is a lie.....

Pacquiao Will Agree To Drug Testing, With The 24-Day Cut
"The negotiations fell apart earlier this year when Mayweather refused to give Pacquiao a 24-day cut-off on the testing. Mayweather wanted a 14-day cut-off."
//krikya360.com/pacquiao-...day-cut--27427

you have ignored that proof on multiple occasions

stop being dishonest

and you owe me links for this bull****.....

5. Injects his hands with Xylocaine

8. Agreed to an 18 day cutoff for drug testing with previous opponents, but wouldn't agree to a 14 day cutoff for drug testing for Pacquiao, with testing Immediately following the fight.

9. Was willing to pay Pacquiao to end the defamation suit In order to keep his records sealed?

10. Was willing to pay Pacquiao $114,000 to avoid questioning from Pacquiao's attorney's?

..... provide a link, or stop lying !!


and you also ignored this.....

1)
FACT: Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests....
FACT: random blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: there is ONLY one reason to avoid random blood tests
FACT: in the amateurs, if you avoid/obstruct a drug test, you.....
* are immediately judged guilty
* you are stripped
* you are banned


2)
Pacquiao gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses to avoid random blood tests, which is beyond absurd..... we needed one genuine reason, but we got 8 childish excuses..... the only reason why we got 8 childish excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

then SUDDENLY, those 8 ridiculous excuses up and disappeared without a trace, and were never mentioned ONCE when Pac finally agreed to testing

come on kid, tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed..... this will be funny..... come on, tell us which one of those ridiculous excuses worked for you, so that we can see how you roll


3)
FACT: Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history at 40lbs

the highest recorded weight-gain in recorded history is 41lbs....

and it was made by a HEAVYWEIGHT who used steroids to get there

FACT: Pacquiao is a fkn midget compared to Roy Jones Jnr..... when Jones gained 41lbs, he was cheating...... and yet when Pacquiao gained 40lbs, you think that he was clean..... right ?

it is soooo clearly obvious what happened, but not to you, right?

Pac is the size of one of Jones legs, you muppet


4)
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....

Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza

immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny looked rejuvenated/revitalized, and a completely different fighter

and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw

what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....

Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests

LMAO

5)
a number of knowledgeable insiders, all of which are extremely knowledgeable and extremely experienced, have stated that Pacquiao was juicing..... from Atlas to Mayweather to Malignaggi to Mosley, and a number of fighters in/around wildcard

it is only you who failed to notice..... why is that ?





so, we have covered the cherry-picking, and the steroids.....
..... are you ready to move on to the weight manipulation yet... ?

[CatchAndShoot]

He's probably tired of Roach always saying **** in public, and making Pac look bad, putting down all his damn opponents, and making them seem like lesser wins, and just being an overall douche bag. Serves him right.

And he should be thankful that he hit the lottery with Pacquiao, and made him a small fortune throughout his career.

[CatchAndShoot]

Roach was saying how he was surprised at how much money Manny gave him for the Floyd fight and how he asked Manny whether he was sure about giving him so much

Now he's complaining about money when its probably just a matter of time before he gets paid

IKR. Roach has made enough money off Manny to last him 2 lifetimes. And he's gonna get paid. Once again, he has diarrhea at the mouth, and makes **** public. The guy just never knows when to stfu. And he's always irked the **** out of me, even during Manny's prime. He always says **** that doesn't need to be said to all the media members, and the general public. Such a hack.

[CatchAndShoot]

Roach is so full of ****, leading up to this fight he was saying manny was 100% knocking out sparring partners and now he's low key talking **** cause manny lost in a rigged fight. I wouldn't be suprised if manny is mad at him for some reason we don't know about. I've always thought roach was a bum ass trainer and manny needs to leave him and top rank behind if he does continue to fight.

Exactly my thoughts. He's so lucky Manny fell into his lap, and made him more money then he could ever dream of making in 3 lifetimes. And Manny overpays the guy for the Floyd fight, and actually comes out publicly about some behind the scenes stuff that should be handled BEHIND THE SCENES.

I always thought Roach was an immature, and petty little guy, that has a temper, and never thinks before speaking.

[CatchAndShoot]

Like I said before, that Saturday night (or Sunday morning actually) was rock bottom for that entire team. Flat out. Of their entire run. The JMM KO wasn't, and neither was losing to Floyd. Those were against two first ballot Hall of Famers. Two of the best of their generation.

Team Pacquiao thought this was going to be easy money. A quick little showcase and money grab against a nobody. It was the perfect storm, though. Go to a guy's country, his own backyard with 50,000 Australians behind him. The kid had absolutely zero to lose and EVERYTHING to gain. And he fought like it, too. So many people said that it was going to be a f**king cakewalk but I was worried about this fight from the onset. And I expressed that sentiment here but I was largely laughed at. Posters thought I was just saying that **** to legitimize the fight. But here you have a guy with nothing to lose, and a rabid, robust crowd right behind him, and in the other corner you have a 38 year old, end of the line, part-time fighter who has been on the biggest stages this sport has offered. And you're going to get up for a no-name if you're Manny? When everyone is telling you that this guy is a nobody and a guy that you can KO at a time of your choosing? When you've been through 68 some career pro fights? When you've fought under the brightest lights this sport has to offer? And you're gonna get up mentally for this? A guy you didn't even know existed? When you're a full-time politician?

Horn was young, hungry, and had absolutely nothing to lose. Fighting off the incredible adrenaline of fighting an old legend in front of your countrymen.

It was a recipe for disaster. And disaster happened. Which is leading to all this finger pointing. Freddie doesn't even take responsibility for his own corner. His ass was blaming f**king Buboy, lmao. Arum blames the entire corner. Manny comes out publicly and says that he felt set up and now dude won't even look his own trainer in the eye.

Rock f**king bottom.

I did't get to see the fight live, and didn't get to watch any of the post fight, or pre fight stuff, but Roach really blamed Buboy? What a piece of ****, and such an overrated scum bag.

[Mike D]

I did't get to see the fight live, and didn't get to watch any of the post fight, or pre fight stuff, but Roach really blamed Buboy? What a piece of ****, and such an overrated scum bag.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he straight up blamed him per se...but he did imply that Buboy was a major distraction in the corner and a big reason why he (Freddie) didn't have complete control over his corner. He also added that he basically "gave up" on trying to keep control of the corner because it was such a mess...again implying Buboy as a main culprit of that.

And yep, he pretty much admitted that he "gave up" trying to command the corner. No wonder Pacquiao didn't say a word to him after the fight...