Rewatched Pacquiao/Horn. Let's Hear It For The Horn.

[Schmerzen]

horn is really good at blocking punches with his face i'll give him that, but he didnt win the fight

[Thraxox]

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to talk about this crazy mofo named Jeff Horn. Don't take his steez by bringing up retired fighters. We're talking about the future now.

No. Iam asking you whyyou are changing your tune about what is effective agression and what is not in Horn Pacquiao while completely saying Maidana iant doing anything to mayweather. Maidana landed more punches to mayweather than horn did to pacquiao.

Horn and Maidana did one thing in Common. Brought the fight to these guys and pacquiao and mayweather did something in common, weathered the storm despite the constant pressure.

[ironmt]

Coulda/Woulda/shoulda. We're gathered here today to talk about this crazy mofo named Jeff Horn.



Headbutts: happens when orthodox faces southpaw and you know that. Only reason it didn't happen against Floyd is that he stayed at range and kept Manny at bay all night long.

Rabbit Punches: I didn't see anything that qualified as an intentional rabbit punch. I saw Manny lunging in trying to land rights and then dropping his head to avoid Horn's right, resulting in the right grazing the back of Manny's head. That's not a rabbit punch.

Pushing Manny's Head Down: Again, Manny kept lunging in then ducking Horn's punch. Didn't you hear Ricky Hatton?



Clinches: Horn wasn't clinching to stop Manny's direct offense like Floyd, he was clinching after a missed punch so Manny couldn't counter him. That's called strategy and it's brilliant.

You can try to spin It anyway you want to. Your agenda Is clear.

.the aggressor almost always wins the round. Who was the aggressor in this fight, seriously, who was the aggressor? Jeff Horn was the aggressor in all but 4 rounds!

If we went by that than Floyd Mayweather certainly wouldn't be undefeated right now.

Coulda/Woulda/shoulda. We're gathered here today to talk about this crazy mofo named Jeff Horn.


LOL, the aggressor almost always wins the round when It fits my agenda.

[dibzvincent143]

See, Jeff Horn beat Manny with some brilliant strategy that people likely didn't notice. Watch it again. It wasn't a robbery, and I didn't see an over-the-hill Manny. I saw a game Manny who just got outboxed - period point blank.

1. Notice that Horn is always using lateral movement. When facing a southpaw, this is the 100% perfect way to nullify their best punch. Even when Manny did land, it didn't hurt Horn like it did Algieri or Mosley when they got suddenly dropped. Algieri was moving backwards, Mosley was squared up. Horn is always moving laterally, and it was excellent.
2. Horn's head movement is truly underrated. He dodged so many of Manny's punches it was crazy.
3. Horn's workrate was through the roof. Many of his rights upstairs were missing, but he wasn't missing with the body shots. I seriously question CompuBox's numbers on the body work.
4. When Manny stopped pivoting, he got clipped almost every time. When he was pivoting, Horn's head was consistently snapping back.
5. Horn did good feints with the jab and right leads. Even when he didn't connect, it caused Manny to react and drop his guard for just long enough to get tagged with a body shot.
6. Horn's timing is off the chain. He was right there with a punch in response to Manny's. If he had just a little more speed and a lot more accuracy than he currently does he would have KO'd Manny Pacquiao.
7. I have never seen Manny take that many uppercuts in a fight.
8. Horn clearly watched the Singsurat fight for his strategy against Manny. He was doing almost the same things in this fight especially on the ropes.
9. Manny was extremely flat-footed and his usual side-to-side head movement wasn't there. He fought a lot like Duran did against Pazienza.
10. Yes, Horn almost got Hagler/Hearns'd in Round 9. Credit to this guy's chin doe.
11. Yes, Manny punched himself out in Round 9 and got demoralized in Round 10.
12. And yes, Horn bullied the hell out of Manny.

Manny couldn't do his usually quick combos because if you watch Manny, he has to land the first punch of the combo. If he gets tagged he resets and is left vulnerable. Horn's timing was just too clean for any of that - the moment Manny tried to throw the setup punch, Horn was there with a counter right.

I scored it 7-5 for Jeff "The Hornet" Horn.

Ultimately, the right man won this fight, and not because of Manny's age or Bob Arum. Horn showed up with shades of "Irish" Mickey Ward, and proved he's a contender.

(Side note: there was more clinches in Pacquiao/Horn than MayPac...so stop talking BS about Floyd "hugging".)

Good analogy, but "i didn't see a past prime pac" ?!!!!!
Were you living under the rock?!! Pac has been past his best for 5 years now, and he looked every bit of 38 year old there.

Here's my take though



Horn harassed pacquiao from beginning to end, appeared as someone who wanted it more, would unload everytime pac shells up, had pac hesitant and backing off most of the time. Horn was also consistent with his energy and approached all throughout the fight while pac was way inconsistent,
Horn imposed the pace that he wanted that's why he looked more commanding and in control out there, except for the parts of 8th and the whole 9th

Maybe its just an illusion he made, maybe there's also substance to it but one thing is for sure manny was struggling in there, that's why judges gave it to horn.

Pac got some good hits but never really able to control the tempo, to make it his fight, to control when the exchanges happen and when they don't. Well, pac is just old so i wont even gonna criticize him with his performance.

[Combat Talk Radio]

No. Iam asking you whyyou are changing your tune about what is effective agression and what is not in Horn Pacquiao while completely saying Maidana iant doing anything to mayweather. Maidana landed more punches to mayweather than horn did to pacquiao.

Horn and Maidana did one thing in Common. Brought the fight to these guys and pacquiao and mayweather did something in common, weathered the storm despite the constant pressure.

All you want to do is criticize a retired fighter about another retired fighter rather than discuss the here and now with Jeff Horn.

The man's coming off a big win. Give him his credit. Move on from the retired.

[Combat Talk Radio]

You can try to spin It anyway you want to. Your agenda Is clear.

.the aggressor almost always wins the round. Who was the aggressor in this fight, seriously, who was the aggressor? Jeff Horn was the aggressor in all but 4 rounds!

If we went by that than Floyd Mayweather certainly wouldn't be undefeated right now.

Coulda/Woulda/shoulda. We're gathered here today to talk about this crazy mofo named Jeff Horn.


LOL, the aggressor almost always wins the round when It fits my agenda.

Nope. I'm just not taking bait over TWO LONG RETIRED FIGHTERS. It's time for ya'll to move on.

We have a new superstar in Jeff Horn. That's who you should be talking about now, period point blank.

[b00g13man]

His movement was pretty good, and definitely caused Manny issues.

[Suavecito80]

I just watched the fight and it was a close fight outside of the ninth round. I did not see a robbery. I could see both of them winning the fight. Teddy Atlas' scorecard for the middle rounds all went to Manny there is not way that is the case.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I just watched the fight and it was a close fight outside of the ninth round. I did not see a robbery. I could see both of them winning the fight. Teddy Atlas' scorecard for the middle rounds all went to Manny there is not way that is the case.

Most of Manny's core successes were in the middle rounds. But I only counted maybe 3 of them and then one late, one swing. Everything else I had The Hornet easily swarming the PacMan.

[loui_ludwig]

I normally would have agreed.

But as we were taught from "someone" who covered boxing back in the 70's...unless there's a knockdown...which there wasn't...the aggressor almost always wins the round. Who was the aggressor in this fight, seriously, who was the aggressor? Jeff Horn was the aggressor in all but 4 rounds!

Hahaha. So, landing more punches, cleaner punches, and countering, does not count. The aggressor just tried to bully him and punching while clinching.

Being the aggressor does not mean you win the fight.