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    Originally posted by TonyGe View Post
    You can dictate the pace of the fight but if it's not getting punches landed it not effective agressive. Defense. Manny landed a higher percentage of punches that means that Horns defense wasn't great. Actually it ******.
    True. A for effort for Horn, but that doesn't actually win you fights.

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      Every Pac loss ever...

      If you watch the fight at 0.64 speed while listening to Teddy Atlas podcast and score the fight using Harold Lederman's technique than you would realize the Earth is flat and Donald ***** is going to save the word
      SMH Crazy pacFUCKS

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        Tell artorias to stop with these videoa

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          Originally posted by Mammoth View Post
          Tell artorias to stop with these videoa
          He's just supporting the truth that you couldn't see.


          The Press scores:

          Majority for Pacquiao the true winner!



          Full scores:

          Bob Velin (USA Today) – 115-112 Pacquiao

          Nick Tylwalk (FanSided) – 116-112 Pacquiao

          Steve Bunce (BoxNation) – 115-113 Horn

          Mike Sloan (Sherdog) – 116-111 Pacquiao

          Gary Randall (Sherdog) – 116-112 Horn

          Mike Fridley (Sherdog) – 115-112 Horn

          Gary Parrish (CBS Sports) – Pacquiao won

          Brian Campbell (CBS Sports) – 114-114

          Jason McIntyre (Fox Sports 1) – Pacquiao won

          Dieter Kurtenbach (Fox Sports) – Pacquiao won

          Skip Bayless (Fox Sports) – Horn won

          Josh Katzowitz (Forbes) – 115-112 Pacquiao

          Brian Mazique (Forbes) – 114-114

          Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow) – 116-112 Pacquiao

          Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow) – Pacquiao won

          Bad Left Hook – 116-111 and 115-113 Pacquiao

          Mike Coppinger (Ring ****zine) – Pacquiao won

          Michael Rosenthal (Ring ****zine) – 116-112 Pacquiao

          Ryan ******** (Ring ****zine and Rappler) – 117-110 Pacquiao

          Doug Fischer (Ring ****zine) – 116-112 or 115-113 Pacquiao

          Tom Gray‏ (Ring ****zine) – “Had Horn wide mate.”

          Mike Baca II (Ring ****zine and Undisputed Champion Network) – “I’ve already rewatched. 115-113 Pac was the lowest I could go…”

          Steve Kim (Undisputed Champion Network) – Pacquiao won

          Lance Pugmire (LA Times) – 116-112 Pacquiao

          Boxing News – 115-113 Pacquiao (Verdict: Close fight, no robbery)

          Michael Wilbon (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

          Dan Rafael (ESPN) – 117-111 Pacquiao

          Marcellus Wiley (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

          Ramona Shelburne (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

          Nigel Collins (ESPN) – 114-113 Pacquiao (“Disagree w/ the “robbery” talk.”)

          Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) – Pacquiao robbed!!!!

          Teddy Atlas (ESPN) – 116-111 Pacquiao

          Arash markazi (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

          T.J. Quinn (ESPN) – Pacquiao won (“This is a hometown hit job. Manny looked old, but mostly in control.”)

          Salvador Rodriguez‏ (ESPN) – 116-112 Pacquiao

          Greg Bishop (Sports Illustrated) – 117-111 Pacquiao

          Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports) – “I could see a draw or close for Pac”

          Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports) – Pacquiao won

          Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports) – 115-113 for Pacquiao

          Gareth A. Davies (The Telegraph) – 115-113 Pacquiao

          Jay Cowan (Spike Sports) – 115-112 Pacquiao

          Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV) – “I had him (Pacquiao) up by one point.”

          Jonathan Snowden (Bleacher Report) – “I had Manny Pacquiao in a close fight.”

          BoxingScene – 116-112 Pacquiao

          Ryan Phillips (The Big Lead) – 116-111 Pacquiao

          Lennox Lewis – Pacquiao won

          Lou DiBella (promoter) – 116-112 Pacquiao

          DJ Gallo (The Guardian) – 117-111 pacquiao

          Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) – 115-112 Pacquiao

          Jeff Powell (The Daily Mail) – Pacquiao robbed

          Bob Sheridan (commentator) – 114-114

          Paulie Malignaggi – “I had horn by a point…”

          Eric Raskin (Former writer for ESPN and Grantland) – 114-114

          Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) – 114-114 (“Cd. have gone either way.”)

          Martin Chesnutt (Boxing Monthly) – 115-112 Pacquiao (“…but was comfortable with 115-113 either way.”)

          Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly) – 116-113 Horn

          Adam Abramowitz‏ (Saturday Night Boxing and Transnational Boxing Rankings board member) – 116-111 Pacquiao

          Rafael G (The Fight City) – “Pacquiao won by 2 or 3 points.”

          Lee Wylie (The Fight City) – Pacquiao won (“…certainly not a robbery. Close fight.”)

          Patrick Connor‏ (BWAA/IBRO member) – Pacquiao won

          Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing) – 116-112 Pacquiao

          Behind the Gloves – 117-110 Pacquiao

          Erik Morales – Pacquiao robbed

          Juan Manuel Marquez – 116-112 Pacquiao

          Timothy Bradley – Pacquiao won (very close fight)

          Guillermo Rigondeaux – Pacquiao won

          Kobe Bryant – Pac

          55 for Pacquiao, 7 for Horn, 5 draw

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          Last edited by Spoon23; 07-07-2017, 09:40 AM.

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            Do we really need a video?
            I'd like to see slo-mo highlights of all Horn's MMA moves! The guy throws his whole forearms at you.

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              Originally posted by Spoon23 View Post
              He's just supporting the truth that you couldn't see.


              The Press scores:

              Majority for Pacquiao the true winner!



              Full scores:

              Bob Velin (USA Today) – 115-112 Pacquiao

              Nick Tylwalk (FanSided) – 116-112 Pacquiao

              Steve Bunce (BoxNation) – 115-113 Horn

              Mike Sloan (Sherdog) – 116-111 Pacquiao

              Gary Randall (Sherdog) – 116-112 Horn

              Mike Fridley (Sherdog) – 115-112 Horn

              Gary Parrish (CBS Sports) – Pacquiao won

              Brian Campbell (CBS Sports) – 114-114

              Jason McIntyre (Fox Sports 1) – Pacquiao won

              Dieter Kurtenbach (Fox Sports) – Pacquiao won

              Skip Bayless (Fox Sports) – Horn won

              Josh Katzowitz (Forbes) – 115-112 Pacquiao

              Brian Mazique (Forbes) – 114-114

              Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow) – 116-112 Pacquiao

              Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow) – Pacquiao won

              Bad Left Hook – 116-111 and 115-113 Pacquiao

              Mike Coppinger (Ring ****zine) – Pacquiao won

              Michael Rosenthal (Ring ****zine) – 116-112 Pacquiao

              Ryan ******** (Ring ****zine and Rappler) – 117-110 Pacquiao

              Doug Fischer (Ring ****zine) – 116-112 or 115-113 Pacquiao

              Tom Gray‏ (Ring ****zine) – “Had Horn wide mate.”

              Mike Baca II (Ring ****zine and Undisputed Champion Network) – “I’ve already rewatched. 115-113 Pac was the lowest I could go…”

              Steve Kim (Undisputed Champion Network) – Pacquiao won

              Lance Pugmire (LA Times) – 116-112 Pacquiao

              Boxing News – 115-113 Pacquiao (Verdict: Close fight, no robbery)

              Michael Wilbon (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

              Dan Rafael (ESPN) – 117-111 Pacquiao

              Marcellus Wiley (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

              Ramona Shelburne (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

              Nigel Collins (ESPN) – 114-113 Pacquiao (“Disagree w/ the “robbery” talk.”)

              Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) – Pacquiao robbed!!!!

              Teddy Atlas (ESPN) – 116-111 Pacquiao

              Arash markazi (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

              T.J. Quinn (ESPN) – Pacquiao won (“This is a hometown hit job. Manny looked old, but mostly in control.”)

              Salvador Rodriguez‏ (ESPN) – 116-112 Pacquiao

              Greg Bishop (Sports Illustrated) – 117-111 Pacquiao

              Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports) – “I could see a draw or close for Pac”

              Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports) – Pacquiao won

              Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports) – 115-113 for Pacquiao

              Gareth A. Davies (The Telegraph) – 115-113 Pacquiao

              Jay Cowan (Spike Sports) – 115-112 Pacquiao

              Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV) – “I had him (Pacquiao) up by one point.”

              Jonathan Snowden (Bleacher Report) – “I had Manny Pacquiao in a close fight.”

              BoxingScene – 116-112 Pacquiao

              Ryan Phillips (The Big Lead) – 116-111 Pacquiao

              Lennox Lewis – Pacquiao won

              Lou DiBella (promoter) – 116-112 Pacquiao

              DJ Gallo (The Guardian) – 117-111 pacquiao

              Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) – 115-112 Pacquiao

              Jeff Powell (The Daily Mail) – Pacquiao robbed

              Bob Sheridan (commentator) – 114-114

              Paulie Malignaggi – “I had horn by a point…”

              Eric Raskin (Former writer for ESPN and Grantland) – 114-114

              Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) – 114-114 (“Cd. have gone either way.”)

              Martin Chesnutt (Boxing Monthly) – 115-112 Pacquiao (“…but was comfortable with 115-113 either way.”)

              Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly) – 116-113 Horn

              Adam Abramowitz‏ (Saturday Night Boxing and Transnational Boxing Rankings board member) – 116-111 Pacquiao

              Rafael G (The Fight City) – “Pacquiao won by 2 or 3 points.”

              Lee Wylie (The Fight City) – Pacquiao won (“…certainly not a robbery. Close fight.”)

              Patrick Connor‏ (BWAA/IBRO member) – Pacquiao won

              Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing) – 116-112 Pacquiao

              Behind the Gloves – 117-110 Pacquiao

              Erik Morales – Pacquiao robbed

              Juan Manuel Marquez – 116-112 Pacquiao

              Timothy Bradley – Pacquiao won (very close fight)

              Guillermo Rigondeaux – Pacquiao won

              Kobe Bryant – …….

              55 for Pacquiao, 7 for Horn, 5 draw

              _____
              Didn't think it would be possible. You know. After Floyd ruined your life and all. I figured no where else but up for Spoon.


              However it is evident the beating Manny suffered at the hands of school teacher Horn has left you tramatized.


              The damage caused to your psyche is irrevocable and all hope for you has been completely eradicated.


              What a shame.


              Poor pact@rd.

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                Didn't we already go over this with Pac vs Marquez III?

                The majority of the press scored it for Marquez, did you declare him the winner in that one?

                And more importantly, so what if the press scored it for Pac? His record says L. Nothing can change that. It's sad but it's the truth.

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                  Originally posted by Sup View Post
                  Didn't we already go over this with Pac vs Marquez III?

                  The majority of the press scored it for Marquez, did you declare him the winner in that one?

                  And more importantly, so what if the press scored it for Pac? His record says L. Nothing can change that. It's sad but it's the truth.
                  Please stop comparing Pacquiao-Marquez III to Pacquiao-Horn. Marquez III fight was a close fight, Horn fight was a robbery

                  Comparison
                  55 for Pacquiao, 7 for Horn, 5 draw. 82% picked Pacquiao as the winner compare to Horn 10%

                  57 for Marquez, 51 Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw. 40% Marquez, 35% Pacquiao

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                    Originally posted by gamesworn View Post
                    Please stop comparing Pacquiao-Marquez III to Pacquiao-Horn. Marquez III fight was a close fight, Horn fight was a robbery

                    Comparison
                    55 for Pacquiao, 7 for Horn, 5 draw. 82% picked Pacquiao as the winner compare to Horn 10%

                    57 for Marquez, 51 Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw. 40% Marquez, 35% Pacquiao
                    Nah, it was also a close fight.

                    A robbery is when a fight is completely one sided the entire way through and he still loses.

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                      Originally posted by Spoon23 View Post
                      He's just supporting the truth that you couldn't see.


                      The Press scores:

                      Majority for Pacquiao the true winner!



                      Full scores:

                      Bob Velin (USA Today) – 115-112 Pacquiao

                      Nick Tylwalk (FanSided) – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      Steve Bunce (BoxNation) – 115-113 Horn

                      Mike Sloan (Sherdog) – 116-111 Pacquiao

                      Gary Randall (Sherdog) – 116-112 Horn

                      Mike Fridley (Sherdog) – 115-112 Horn

                      Gary Parrish (CBS Sports) – Pacquiao won

                      Brian Campbell (CBS Sports) – 114-114

                      Jason McIntyre (Fox Sports 1) – Pacquiao won

                      Dieter Kurtenbach (Fox Sports) – Pacquiao won

                      Skip Bayless (Fox Sports) – Horn won

                      Josh Katzowitz (Forbes) – 115-112 Pacquiao

                      Brian Mazique (Forbes) – 114-114

                      Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow) – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow) – Pacquiao won

                      Bad Left Hook – 116-111 and 115-113 Pacquiao

                      Mike Coppinger (Ring ****zine) – Pacquiao won

                      Michael Rosenthal (Ring ****zine) – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      Ryan ******** (Ring ****zine and Rappler) – 117-110 Pacquiao

                      Doug Fischer (Ring ****zine) – 116-112 or 115-113 Pacquiao

                      Tom Gray‏ (Ring ****zine) – “Had Horn wide mate.”

                      Mike Baca II (Ring ****zine and Undisputed Champion Network) – “I’ve already rewatched. 115-113 Pac was the lowest I could go…”

                      Steve Kim (Undisputed Champion Network) – Pacquiao won

                      Lance Pugmire (LA Times) – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      Boxing News – 115-113 Pacquiao (Verdict: Close fight, no robbery)

                      Michael Wilbon (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

                      Dan Rafael (ESPN) – 117-111 Pacquiao

                      Marcellus Wiley (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

                      Ramona Shelburne (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

                      Nigel Collins (ESPN) – 114-113 Pacquiao (“Disagree w/ the “robbery” talk.”)

                      Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) – Pacquiao robbed!!!!

                      Teddy Atlas (ESPN) – 116-111 Pacquiao

                      Arash markazi (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

                      T.J. Quinn (ESPN) – Pacquiao won (“This is a hometown hit job. Manny looked old, but mostly in control.”)

                      Salvador Rodriguez‏ (ESPN) – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      Greg Bishop (Sports Illustrated) – 117-111 Pacquiao

                      Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports) – “I could see a draw or close for Pac”

                      Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports) – Pacquiao won

                      Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports) – 115-113 for Pacquiao

                      Gareth A. Davies (The Telegraph) – 115-113 Pacquiao

                      Jay Cowan (Spike Sports) – 115-112 Pacquiao

                      Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV) – “I had him (Pacquiao) up by one point.”

                      Jonathan Snowden (Bleacher Report) – “I had Manny Pacquiao in a close fight.”

                      BoxingScene – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      Ryan Phillips (The Big Lead) – 116-111 Pacquiao

                      Lennox Lewis – Pacquiao won

                      Lou DiBella (promoter) – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      DJ Gallo (The Guardian) – 117-111 pacquiao

                      Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) – 115-112 Pacquiao

                      Jeff Powell (The Daily Mail) – Pacquiao robbed

                      Bob Sheridan (commentator) – 114-114

                      Paulie Malignaggi – “I had horn by a point…”

                      Eric Raskin (Former writer for ESPN and Grantland) – 114-114

                      Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) – 114-114 (“Cd. have gone either way.”)

                      Martin Chesnutt (Boxing Monthly) – 115-112 Pacquiao (“…but was comfortable with 115-113 either way.”)

                      Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly) – 116-113 Horn

                      Adam Abramowitz‏ (Saturday Night Boxing and Transnational Boxing Rankings board member) – 116-111 Pacquiao

                      Rafael G (The Fight City) – “Pacquiao won by 2 or 3 points.”

                      Lee Wylie (The Fight City) – Pacquiao won (“…certainly not a robbery. Close fight.”)

                      Patrick Connor‏ (BWAA/IBRO member) – Pacquiao won

                      Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing) – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      Behind the Gloves – 117-110 Pacquiao

                      Erik Morales – Pacquiao robbed

                      Juan Manuel Marquez – 116-112 Pacquiao

                      Timothy Bradley – Pacquiao won (very close fight)

                      Guillermo Rigondeaux – Pacquiao won

                      Kobe Bryant – …….

                      55 for Pacquiao, 7 for Horn, 5 draw

                      _____
                      You can add the following to that list

                      Errol Spence

                      Andre Berto

                      Gabe Rosado

                      Claressa Shields

                      Devon Alexander

                      Billy Joe Saunders

                      Sergio Mora

                      Ray Beltran

                      Cornelius Bundrage


                      all had Pacquiao as the winner

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