Padded records

[AREALFIGHTER]

thats really true good point

For example look at Duddy and Bute. They both have very similar records but look at Butes comp vs Duddy. Duddy is the more popular fighter there is no dought and he can become but he has not done a lot to prove himself as far as comp goes although it has improved in his last few fight I think. Now look at the names on Butes record ones a former champ granted at a lighter weight and another has fought for the a title. Others are strong journey men. I guess this is kinda my point about padded records. More people like Duddy I think but Bute gets more respect for what he has already accomplished.

[deuce_drop]

it's part of the process to create a marketable fighter. that and to see if he has what it takes slowly stepping up the competition.
alot of the time, promoters beef up a guys record so they can cash in on them by trying to hype them up.
it's good and bad, a necessary evil, make a guy look interesting to the general public by him having a good record and then milking the situation for as much cash as possible.
but sometimes you get a guy that is all hype and when they get exposed that ride is all over.
padding a record is good in the beginning but after X-amount of fights it needs to stop and they need to step up the competition or they're going to hurt their fighter more than help them.
one example that comes to mind about a fighter with a padded record is Paul Malignaggi. he's fought B to C- CLUB fighters that he totally out classes in all categories, they hype him up to be this world class fighter and are trying to create a buzz about him to generate as much money as possible. he has zero world class experience and he's taking a shot at a world title. judging from the past on how these things go, they're setting him up for failure. he doesn't even come close to the kind of ring experience Cotto has and yet they hype him up because of his record and how he's beaten BUMS. this is where you find guys with padded records getting exposed, fighting guys on a lower level making them look good, and then going for the title and getting totally wiped out by a guy that has had the proper experience that led him to become champ.
alot of the time when a guy who has a padded record goes into a fight with a higher caliber fighter, they tend to fade or crumble at the first sign of adversity. why? because they're used to winning and think that they're better than they really are, but once all that comes to an end you see them get bent over and stuffed like a thankgiving turkey.
to sum it all up, it's good to a point and then you have to push a fighter to get better, your fighter isnt going to get better if he isnt challenged. experience is the key, but if you keep the experience at a minimal level you're going to get poor results.

[grayfist]

Taking fighters solely on their records lends itself generously to regret. Some records are truly deceptive. Thus, many were surprised when Chris John who has not fought outside of Souteast Asia did what he did against Marquez and when In Jin Chi gave Erik Morales quite a fight, people looked at each other with knitted brows.

I remember when Azumah Nelson went up against Salvador Sanchez and was so much an unknown that he could not have been arrested. When he floored Sanchez in the early rounds, experts grabbed for ways to comprehend what they just saw.

On the other side of the scale there was John "The Beast" Mugabi, who went up for all the marbles (WBC, WBA, IBF) against Marvin Hagler toting a record of 25 wins, no loss, and having flattened every single one he had met. Pundits were grabbing each microphone in sight to declare Hagler dead even before fight night. They conveniently dismissed the fact that among Mugabi's victims were Giampaolo Piras (4-61-8), Sammy Floyd (6-18-1), Pedro Guerrero (0-5-0), Mauricio DaCruz (2-25-2), Oemer Karadenes (1-3-2) and Don Morgan (13-30-0).

The only fighters that Mugabi faced who had been undefeated before facing him, were Darwin Brewster and John Mwansa, but Mwansa was only in his second pro fight while "The Beast" had alread a string of six previous successes. In his first fight Mwansa had taken the fire off of the hapless loser Fireball Emanuel (2-5-0) in the first round. Mugabi recompensed Mwansa by giving him what Mwansa had given to Emanuel. As for Brewster, he had stayed undefeated courtesy of Carl Bailey (18-24-2), Les Wint (12-13-0) and company.

Perhaps the best that Mugabi had faced before Hagler was Earl Hargrove who had lost only once prior to facing "The Beast." Hargrove had lost to Mike Medal in a vacant IBF title bid by TKO5; otherwise, he was spotless. But, today, Hargrove can hardly be remembered and those who recall Medal beyond his short reign as IBF titlist (he lost in his first defense; to Carlos Santos),may do so only in the sense that he sat accross the ring to Thomas Hearns at the Caesar's Palace in Vegas for the WBC Light Middleweight title and went back to his quarters after the 8th round.

The first round KO by Mugabi of Hargrove and the subsequent mauling he inflicted on Bill Bradley (22-7-0, and not the NBA star-turned-US Senator), were what made The Beast No. 1 contender in all alphabet lists and got many giddy over Mugabi.

Hagler disposed of The Beast in the 11th.

[AREALFIGHTER]

Thank you guys for your comments. If a guy can be matched tough in the begining I think it is better for there careers than blowing up their records. Thats why I am really excited about Bute and Johnson and hope they start getting on espn and showbox or BAD so I can see them. another who was matched tough early was actually Ishe Smith.

[Smokin']

For example look at Duddy and Bute. They both have very similar records but look at Butes comp vs Duddy. Duddy is the more popular fighter there is no dought and he can become but he has not done a lot to prove himself as far as comp goes although it has improved in his last few fight I think. Now look at the names on Butes record ones a former champ granted at a lighter weight and another has fought for the a title. Others are strong journey men. I guess this is kinda my point about padded records. More people like Duddy I think but Bute gets more respect for what he has already accomplished.

I don't know about that one. You could be right, but I don't really think they are hyping Duddy up one bit. Some fighters are different. Some fighters have honed on their skills in the gym and the amateurs and some need to learn throughout the professional ranks.

I don't really think it's fair to judge guys just because of padded records. Once they step up, sure, by all means do it. But there are plenty of cases where a supposedly "overhyped" fighter has done himself justice in the ring.

[Smokin']

I do respect Bute though. He's a good Canadian kid, but he's not as exciting as I thought he would. He comes in great shape though, doesn't run and can punch like a truck. He's good for boxing.