Comments Thread For: Canelo: Mayweather-Pacquiao Really Hurt Boxing, Especially PPV

[Sledgeweather17]

The fight was an unmitigated disaster of biblical proportions

It was built up to be bigger than the f**king superbowl, I mean the whole world was watching...and for that??

I've heard Floyd fans say that people just thought it was boring because Floyd won and that all of the Floyd haters were butthurt, but no. A good fight is a good fight. And that was a f**king horrific "fight". It was basically light sparring for 12 rounds without a a single memorable or dramatic moment in the fight, unless you count the time Manny stunned Floyd and unleashed a barrage of mostly missed or blocked punches.

And yes, I get it, anybody who knows Floyd at all knew that he's a defensive fighter to the millionth degree, and it was never going to be a firefight, that much is true but still.

Both fighters exited the ring with career lows in punches landed. From just a pure entertainment perspective it was awful. It was beyond awful.

I will say this, though. I do think that the onus was on Manny. It was. We all know that Floyd is safety first, defense first at all times. Floyd could give two ****s about making it entertaining for the fans so long as he's winning the fight. So it was up to Manny to bring the fight out of him, and as we all saw, he couldn't do it. So yeah in the end the bulk of the blame goes to Manny.

But my God what a travesty of a fight. Ask any fan out there who didn't have a dog in the race and they'll tell you that **** was as entertaining as watching paint dry.

Manny to be fair almost did it, twice. The problem is that Manny couldn't put two rounds together. Every time he won a round Floyd would punish him in the beginning of the next round and then go defense mode the rest of the round. If Manny could have sustained round 4 and/or round 6 momentum for three rounds then we could have had a fight, but Floyd just completely cancelled that momentum in the following rounds. By round 8 Floyd had adjusted enough to cancel the momentum within the same round instead of waiting for the next. Coz Manny started off well in that round and it looked like we were gonna get another round 4/6 performance but Floyd just started nailing him with counters the rest of the round.

The reality is that Manny became more of a cautious boxer after the Marquez KO. He became a better boxer but less entertaining coz he takes less risks. He was totally scared of taking risks against Floyd, although I also think that Floyd took away a lot of his strengths in that fight.

Trading at mid range is one of Manny's special talents, his combination speed is insane so Floyd took that away, made it a battle of one and one-two speed, coz Floyd knows he is faster in landing the initial blows.

He also took away Manny's in out movement with his own foot movement (circling and backpedalling) combined with check hook counter punching.

Finally, if Floyd made a mistake and got cornered, he used a variation of the shoulder roll I've only seen him use a few times before, and saw him use for the first time against a southpaw, it's where he ducks to the right (under Manny's straight left), and then swings his body leftwards into Manny (to snuff out the follow up combo) and then reverse swing out of the way again, and of course, he also used clinches ever once in a while (although haters will make you think he was clinching every second of the fight whereas there were whole rounds that didn't have clinches and the total number of clinches for the fight was 18, which is an average of 1.5 clinches per ROUND).

A lot of people hated the fight but I loved it. From a technical stand point it was an amazing fight, the skills on display and the tehnical battle was world class chess level. From a casual fan standpoint I get the disappointment. Manny showed he had a high level of technique too, but it was a mistake to try to outwitt Floyd on pure skill alone. By round 11 and 12 Floyd was nailing Manny at will with left hooks, check left hooks, and right crosses. Watch all of his fights and you'll see that Floyd always has something up his sleeve reserved for rounds eleven and twelve.

Manny fought well (technique wise) but he fought the wrong fight and he was too cautious (Marquez KO). I get why people think the fight would have been better before 2011, still think Manny loses but the fight would have been more exciting no doubt.

[redmish]

It still surprises me that people didn't know the fight was going to be boring. I was telling non boxing fan friends for weeks what the fight would be like. It was a massive fight that got non boxing fans interested and that is what makes for big numbers but turned them off for future big fights.

[Porter's Dad]

I will say this, though. I do think that the onus was on Manny. It was. We all know that Floyd is safety first, defense first at all times. Floyd could give two ****s about making it entertaining for the fans so long as he's winning the fight. So it was up to Manny to bring the fight out of him, and as we all saw, he couldn't do it. So yeah in the end the bulk of the blame goes to Manny.

No, the bulk on the blame goes on Mayweather. He was the guy who refused to engage whatsoever, and like you said, couldn't give two ****s about making it entertaining.

Pac was a massive disappointment but I am baffled why all of Floyd's opponents get blamed for not making him less boring. How about Mayweather is less boring himself? Why does the blame always fall on Floyd's opponents? It's such bizarre thinking. It's not easy to make a guy with all the advantages who knows how to game the system and win rounds with "ring generalship" do anything other than be risk-averse.

Mayweather stunk the joint out like he did several PPVs and it's no coincidence that boxing is kicking ass this year, like it did during his other fake retirement years. Good riddance to that dude.

[Mike D]

Manny to be fair almost did it, twice. The problem is that Manny couldn't put two rounds together. Every time he won a round Floyd would punish him in the beginning of the next round and then go defense mode the rest of the round. If Manny could have sustained round 4 and/or round 6 momentum for three rounds then we could have had a fight, but Floyd just completely cancelled that momentum in the following rounds. By round 8 Floyd had adjusted enough to cancel the momentum within the same round instead of waiting for the next. Coz Manny started off well in that round and it looked like we were gonna get another round 4/6 performance but Floyd just started nailing him with counters the rest of the round.

The reality is that Manny became more of a cautious boxer after the Marquez KO. He became a better boxer but less entertaining coz he takes less risks. He was totally scared of taking risks against Floyd, although I also think that Floyd took away a lot of his strengths in that fight.

Trading at mid range is one of Manny's special talents, his combination speed is insane so Floyd took that away, made it a battle of one and one-two speed, coz Floyd knows he is faster in landing the initial blows.

He also took away Manny's in out movement with his own foot movement (circling and backpedalling) combined with check hook counter punching.

Finally, if Floyd made a mistake and got cornered, he used a variation of the shoulder roll I've only seen him use a few times before, and saw him use for the first time against a southpaw, it's where he ducks to the right (under Manny's straight left), and then swings his body leftwards into Manny (to snuff out the follow up combo) and then reverse swing out of the way again, and of course, he also used clinches ever once in a while (although haters will make you think he was clinching every second of the fight whereas there were whole rounds that didn't have clinches and the total number of clinches for the fight was 18, which is an average of 1.5 clinches per ROUND).

A lot of people hated the fight but I loved it. From a technical stand point it was an amazing fight, the skills on display and the tehnical battle was world class chess level. From a casual fan standpoint I get the disappointment. Manny showed he had a high level of technique too, but it was a mistake to try to outwitt Floyd on pure skill alone. By round 11 and 12 Floyd was nailing Manny at will with left hooks, check left hooks, and right crosses. Watch all of his fights and you'll see that Floyd always has something up his sleeve reserved for rounds eleven and twelve.

Manny fought well (technique wise) but he fought the wrong fight and he was too cautious (Marquez KO). I get why people think the fight would have been better before 2011, still think Manny loses but the fight would have been more exciting no doubt.

Excellent stuff, sledgeweather.

[bojangles1987]

What part of a $15 million dollar offer do you not understand? You don't duck someone when you offer to pay that kind of money to fight someone. This crap about ducking that you and others insist on putting out constantly must be part of the Russian robo calls, bogus social media posting and fake news that is plaguing the world.

What part of "the fight won't happen any earlier than September 2017" do you not understand? Golden Boy could have offered 100 million, Alvarez was still ducking the fight for at least a year.

[Mike D]

No, the bulk on the blame goes on Mayweather. He was the guy who refused to engage whatsoever, and like you said, couldn't give two ****s about making it entertaining.

Pac was a massive disappointment but I am baffled why all of Floyd's opponents get blamed for not making him less boring. How about Mayweather is less boring himself? Why does the blame always fall on Floyd's opponents? It's such bizarre thinking. It's not easy to make a guy with all the advantages who knows how to game the system and win rounds with "ring generalship" do anything other than be risk-averse.

Mayweather stunk the joint out like he did several PPVs and it's no coincidence that boxing is kicking ass this year, like it did during his other fake retirement years. Good riddance to that dude.

Lol I feel you, dude. And completely get what you're saying. But thing is, Floyd is gonna Floyd. And Floyd is going to be rewarded for being Floyd. Anybody who has followed his career for any length of time knows that, and knew that going in. All Floyd has to do is backpedal and circle, out land you by a jab or two in the round, or f**k even have a dead even round with your ass, and he's 100% going to get that round on the scorecards while in the meanwhile the TV analysts fall over themselves about how he just put on a masterclass.

That's the reality.

I'm not saying that Floyd isn't or wasn't an exceptional boxer -- he obviously was, but the guy got every single last benefit of any and every doubt.

So as unfair as it is/was, because of that reality, it falls on his opponent to force him to fight. Maidana, in recent memory, came the closest to getting the job done in that regard. I mean hey it ain't fair but as they say, life ain't fair.

[BoxAztinca]

At least Pacquiao won 3 rounds. Maybe if Canelo would've done better behind the 2.2 million people watching., we would've attracted new boxing fans. But instead he was gun shy and star struck.

[Nightfall]

canela and his low standard excuses

[MisanthropicNY]

Manny to be fair almost did it, twice. The problem is that Manny couldn't put two rounds together. Every time he won a round Floyd would punish him in the beginning of the next round and then go defense mode the rest of the round. If Manny could have sustained round 4 and/or round 6 momentum for three rounds then we could have had a fight, but Floyd just completely cancelled that momentum in the following rounds. By round 8 Floyd had adjusted enough to cancel the momentum within the same round instead of waiting for the next. Coz Manny started off well in that round and it looked like we were gonna get another round 4/6 performance but Floyd just started nailing him with counters the rest of the round.

The reality is that Manny became more of a cautious boxer after the Marquez KO. He became a better boxer but less entertaining coz he takes less risks. He was totally scared of taking risks against Floyd, although I also think that Floyd took away a lot of his strengths in that fight.

Trading at mid range is one of Manny's special talents, his combination speed is insane so Floyd took that away, made it a battle of one and one-two speed, coz Floyd knows he is faster in landing the initial blows.

He also took away Manny's in out movement with his own foot movement (circling and backpedalling) combined with check hook counter punching.

Finally, if Floyd made a mistake and got cornered, he used a variation of the shoulder roll I've only seen him use a few times before, and saw him use for the first time against a southpaw, it's where he ducks to the right (under Manny's straight left), and then swings his body leftwards into Manny (to snuff out the follow up combo) and then reverse swing out of the way again, and of course, he also used clinches ever once in a while (although haters will make you think he was clinching every second of the fight whereas there were whole rounds that didn't have clinches and the total number of clinches for the fight was 18, which is an average of 1.5 clinches per ROUND).

A lot of people hated the fight but I loved it. From a technical stand point it was an amazing fight, the skills on display and the tehnical battle was world class chess level. From a casual fan standpoint I get the disappointment. Manny showed he had a high level of technique too, but it was a mistake to try to outwitt Floyd on pure skill alone. By round 11 and 12 Floyd was nailing Manny at will with left hooks, check left hooks, and right crosses. Watch all of his fights and you'll see that Floyd always has something up his sleeve reserved for rounds eleven and twelve.

Manny fought well (technique wise) but he fought the wrong fight and he was too cautious (Marquez KO). I get why people think the fight would have been better before 2011, still think Manny loses but the fight would have been more exciting no doubt.

Floyd did nothing offensively and slow motion shows Manny landed more shots - not sure how your analysis makes any sense unless you give fighters points for defense? How does defense win a fight?

[Sledgeweather17]

No, the bulk on the blame goes on Mayweather. He was the guy who refused to engage whatsoever, and like you said, couldn't give two ****s about making it entertaining.

Pac was a massive disappointment but I am baffled why all of Floyd's opponents get blamed for not making him less boring. How about Mayweather is less boring himself? Why does the blame always fall on Floyd's opponents? It's such bizarre thinking. It's not easy to make a guy with all the advantages who knows how to game the system and win rounds with "ring generalship" do anything other than be risk-averse.

Mayweather stunk the joint out like he did several PPVs and it's no coincidence that boxing is kicking ass this year, like it did during his other fake retirement years. Good riddance to that dude.

I think it's because Hatton and Maidana proved that you can be in an entertaining fight with Floyd. So people think...well, if Hatton and Maidana could do it, then why couldn't Manny?