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Originally posted by Canelo and GGG View PostMorales was very skilled fighter ,and he was brawler ,skill is not only one style ,Duran was extreamly skilled fighter.
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Originally posted by Metho_4u View PostI 100% do not believe Duran was as purely skilled as Mayweather. He was skilled yes, but the combination of offensive and defensive skills, footwork, speed, accuracy, punch selection, pure reflexes, and uncanny ability to just know which punches were coming beforehand puts floyd above Duran. No mas.
Look at what Corley does to Mayweather, the guys head movement moving forward is weak as for a supossed mega elite that can fight any way. Have you ever seen mayweather come in weaving, his weave is sht, his pressuring is weak, hes a master boxer and thats it, thats his style.
Pacquiao is even more complete than Mayweather. I have no idea why people pretend, or maybe your just that ignorant, Mayweather cant even beat the maidana's of the world fighting. Pacquiao is even more dangerous on the backfoot than where his style is most praised and most of his success came from as a pressure fighter, and this is a fact even pointed out by Mayweather.Last edited by SplitSecond; 04-03-2017, 07:52 AM.
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Originally posted by Metho_4u View PostI 100% do not believe Duran was as purely skilled as Mayweather. He was skilled yes, but the combination of offensive and defensive skills, footwork, speed, accuracy, punch selection, pure reflexes, and uncanny ability to just know which punches were coming beforehand puts floyd above Duran. No mas.
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Originally posted by SkillspayBills View PostIdk where you surmised that from my comment. I never even hinted at that. What I Did say is he is the most skilled fighter I've ever laid eyes on. He's done things in the ring I've never seen and probably never will see again. You should watch some film studies on Floyd, it will make you appreciate what he's done in the ring.
I definitely appreciate what Floyd did no doubt. His consistency was especially great and the cleanness off his techniques was a joy to watch.
I just think there are other fighters, like Charles who i mentioned, who have a more all round skills in terms of offensive ability and power punching aswell as the defensive slick boxing also. He also fought using a variety of tactics and ive seen him fight like an animal on the inside, and also box like a slickster on the outside. Plus he has the advantage of proving his skills at a far higher level aswell.
Charles, imo, is the highest ranked righter all time p4p who didnt rely on freakish athleticism to achieve his style. Not to say the likes of SRR, Armstrong, Ali werent skilled, but their god given abilities and intangibles helped them a great dealLast edited by Tom Cruise; 04-03-2017, 07:56 AM.
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Originally posted by SplitSecond View PostFloyds defensive skills is no better than Durans, he just runs more, and clinches more. Duran fought more often than Mayweather, he had much better reflexes, i've never seen a prime Duran turn into a pinata like Mayweather has on ocassion, all your seeing is Mayweathers speed and undefeated reputation. Duran is much more skilled tham Mayweather, Duran can box with the best of them and fight with the best of them. Mayweather cant fight at the top level, he's an outboxer through and through.
Look at what Corley does to Mayweather, the guys head movement moving forward is weak as for a supossed mega elite that can fight any way. Have you ever seen mayweather come in weaving, his weave is sht, his pressuring is weak, hes a master boxer and thats it, thats his style.
Pacquiao is even more complete than Mayweather. I have no idea why people pretend, or maybe your just that ignorant, Mayweather cant even beat the maidana's of the world fighting. Pacquiao is even more dangerous on the backfoot than where his style is most praised and most of his success came from as a pressure fighter, and this is a fact even pointed out by Mayweather.
I guess that's why most here have picked floyd and Duran hasn't hardly been mentioned huh?
Some of you amaze me, look at more than 2 fights of a guy before you assume ****** things. Duran may well be an ATG...as high on the list as Mayweather later in history? I seriously doubt it.Last edited by Metho_4u; 04-03-2017, 10:04 AM.
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Originally posted by SkillspayBills View PostI think you are miscontruing SKILL and TALENT my good homie. Talent is God given and God gifted. Skill is honed painstakingly over years and years of practice, repetition, and study.
There's a difference between a skilled basketball player (Tim Duncan)
And a talented basketball player (JR Smith)
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Originally posted by SplitSecond View PostFloyds defensive skills is no better than Durans, he just runs more, and clinches more. Duran fought more often than Mayweather, he had much better reflexes, i've never seen a prime Duran turn into a pinata like Mayweather has on ocassion, all your seeing is Mayweathers speed and undefeated reputation. Duran is much more skilled tham Mayweather, Duran can box with the best of them and fight with the best of them. Mayweather cant fight at the top level, he's an outboxer through and through.
Look at what Corley does to Mayweather, the guys head movement moving forward is weak as for a supossed mega elite that can fight any way. Have you ever seen mayweather come in weaving, his weave is sht, his pressuring is weak, hes a master boxer and thats it, thats his style.
Pacquiao is even more complete than Mayweather. I have no idea why people pretend, or maybe your just that ignorant, Mayweather cant even beat the maidana's of the world fighting. Pacquiao is even more dangerous on the backfoot than where his style is most praised and most of his success came from as a pressure fighter, and this is a fact even pointed out by Mayweather.
Lol, why are people bringing up Mayweather's compubox history. Mayweather is the biggest lie of the past generation, you can watch those fights and see he lands no where near what his compubox numbers show and he gets hit a lot more.
The difference here is Mayweather is not getting hit with killer shots in vital areas that often, and definitely not in combination. Golovkin has "decent" defense, good when he's focused but he showed some glaring defensive holes, like as he goes in for the clinch, like rigondeaux (another guy with a ton of amateur fights that gets caught the same way) but I think most of it is a lack of focus. Mayweather had tremendous mental stamina.
I also think his defense would be a lot better if he countered more.
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Originally posted by Ray Corso View Post(Tyson) " He has TWO decent wins. Larry Holmes and Micheal Spinks",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
both were not in their best part of their careers, especially Spink's, huge leg deficiencies .
Sugar Ray Robinson is the best ever! He could box and punch and was capable of KO's while backing up!
He fought the best from 147 through 160 for 25 years.
Twice ran 80-0 streaks and was easily the most colorful boxer of all time.
Ray
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Originally posted by Metho_4u View PostOh, give me a break, it's called styles. You cannot compare an out of prime floyd BEATING maidana to the same guy at 130 would could knock pretty much anyone out. What did you just watch some "floyds worst moments" YouTube channel?one thing floyd sure had over Duran and that was heart...never saw get frustrated and no Mas did you? DURAN QUIT! And it wasn't because he was getting hurt, it wasn't because he was taking knockdowns and knew he couldn't win the fight, it was because he was frustrated and quit like a crying like a 5 year old who couldn't get his way.
I guess that's why most here have picked floyd and Duran hasn't hardly been mentioned huh?
Some of you amaze me, look at more than 2 fights of a guy before you assume ****** things. Duran may well be an ATG...as high on the list as Mayweather later in history? I seriously doubt it.
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