Was Crawford at fault for not getting the Pac fight?

[RomanReigns]

I can't say they are planning it for sure but I know if he loses to Crawford or looks bad in a win then the rematch is dead.

Exactly. Reminds me of the Marquez III and Marquez IV fight.

We all knew that Manny was never ready for Floyd because he struggled against an older blown up Lightweight.

It was Arum who created the Myth that Pacquiao was the same level as Floyd. And He fooled us all. Lost some money in that fight last year. He only landed 81 punches.

I don't blame him he did showcased Manny's speed, and those 1,000 punches against Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley.

[The Big Dunn]

Why the **** would Arum protect Manny if Manny is already at the end of his career? If Arum is truly the snake that he is, he would feed manny to Crawford.

And also, Manny never said he would go down to 140, he only said that he can make 140 or even at 135, but is unsure how is performance would go, so he stayed at 147 for that reason. It was roach mouthing his ass off in the interviews saying B.S

If so, if Crawford wants the fight why did he said 140 or duck? Manny also said that he didn't accept the fight because Crawford refused to budge from 140, that was his sole reason for picking Vargas.

Bob doesn't want to match him with Crawford now because Manny is still the most profitable boxer on the TR roster by a wide margin and because the Floyd/Manny rematch is still the most profitable fight in the sport.

You sure? I know Roach did but I also thought Manny said he could make 140 and had to east alot to make 147. Either way, it is disingenuous to pretend Crawford occupies a place where he can dictate to Manny.

Come on dude, you actually believe Arum/Manny were planning on this fight and Crawford saying this made Arum say OK? No offense but Manny is a confirmed liar so I do not believe that.

I also find it hard to believe that Arum would not make that fight if it was in his best interest, which right now it clearly isn't.

Arum and Manny do not want this fight right now because it is high risk, no reward.

[Thraxox]

Exactly. Reminds me of the Marquez III and Marquez IV fight.

We all knew that Manny was never ready for floyd because he struggled against an older blowup Lightweight.

It was Arum who created the Myth that Pacquiao was the same level as Floyd. And He fooled us all. Lost some money in that fight last year. He only landed 84 punches.

The fight was already 5 years too late and Pacquiao was already slightly gun shy since the Ko and lost a lot of his punch out put and speed. So it is so far very, very, very ignorant to say that the fight at May 2 15 would go exactly would go at March 10 2010. If May is levels above Pacquiao then he shouldn't have struggled against Migel Cotto, and Ricky Hatton, that type of perception is quite ironic.

[The Big Dunn]

Exactly. Reminds me of the Marquez III and Marquez IV fight.

We all knew that Manny was never ready for Floyd because he struggled against an older blown up Lightweight.

It was Arum who created the Myth that Pacquiao was the same level as Floyd. And He fooled us all. Lost some money in that fight last year. He only landed 81 punches.

I don't blame him he did showcased Manny's speed, and those 1,000 punches against Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley.

The JMM 4 fight was the one Manny took over the $40 mil, no ppv offer. That KO loss almost derailed the fight. Arum learned from this.

The rematch is already going to get backlash and heat from fans still angry about the 1st fight. If Manny loses to someone inferior to Floyd the rematch is all but dead.

[dsomonster]

Bud is no position to call the shots! I do not know where some of these guys coming from. Fighting Manny will probably put most boxers on EZ Street when it comes to a life altering payday.

Take the fight at whatever weight, date, gloves, ring size, who walks in first and any other BS Manny wants and be ready to fight and get paid. It ain't like the weight restriction was going to be at middleweight or anything like that. Shoot, Bud will probably be a true welter in 2017?

[The Big Dunn]

The fight was already 5 years too late and Pacquiao was already slightly gun shy since the Ko and lost a lot of his punch out put and speed. So it is so far very, very, very ignorant to say that the fight at May 2 15 would go exactly would go at March 10 2010. If May is levels above Pacquiao then he shouldn't have struggled against Migel Cotto, and Ricky Hatton, that type of perception is quite ironic.

You can't use triangle theories as every fight is different. He didn't struggle against either guy dude.

Manny lost because of Floyd's length and ability to bx and move. Manny may have been better in 2010, but so was Floyd. Floyd was LAWAYS going to be a problem for Mnany because of his size, speed and arm length.

[Thraxox]

Bob doesn't want to match him with Crawford now because Manny is still the most profitable boxer on the TR roster by a wide margin and because the Floyd/Manny rematch is still the most profitable fight in the sport.

You sure? I know Roach did but I also thought Manny said he could make 140 and had to east alot to make 147. Either way, it is disingenuous to pretend Crawford occupies a place where he can dictate to Manny.

Come on dude, you actually believe Arum/Manny were planning on this fight and Crawford saying this made Arum say OK? No offense but Manny is a confirmed liar so I do not believe that.

I also find it hard to believe that Arum would not make that fight if it was in his best interest, which right now it clearly isn't.

Arum and Manny do not want this fight right now because it is high risk, no reward.

Pacquiao has the biggest cash in for Crawford, a guaranteed 10 million and a new star if Crawford wins. Manny never said he would go back fighting at 140, but he was only considering it because he was unsure how he would perform there, he only said that he could make 140 and 135 and it was roach who said that manny would be go back fighting 140 and Roach is not the voice of manny.

Manny in numerous interviews already stated that he is negotiating the three possibile fights. An AB fight, A TC fight or a Vargas fight. AB wanted 10 million, so he was out of the deal. Manny mentioned that Crawford was going to be it, and was looking for a date then Crawford started mouthing on 140 or a duck then he picks Vargas for that reason and the TC fight gets thrown out of the window.

"Manny is a Proven Liar." So if he is a proven Liar, does that mean he doesn't speak the truth this time? We have seen how Arum back stabs Pacquiao, so Arum doesn't have heart for him to protect him from his new star. It is only the perception that Manny still makes money off, and Arum lost some in the TB III fight.It was TC who blew the fight off for demanding it at 140 instead of accepting it at 147.

[RomanReigns]

The fight was already 5 years too late and Pacquiao was already slightly gun shy since the Ko and lost a lot of his punch out put and speed. So it is so far very, very, very ignorant to say that the fight at May 2 15 would go exactly would go at March 10 2010. If May is levels above Pacquiao then he shouldn't have struggled against Migel Cotto, and Ricky Hatton, that type of perception is quite ironic.

Mayweather beat a healthier Cotto, and Cotto was a beast at 154. He said he wanted to make the fight exciting.

Mayweather became the first boxer to beat Hatton. Hatton was tailored made for Pacquiao, and Pacquiao caught him with one of the best punches of all time.

[daggum]

You can't use triangle theories as every fight is different. He didn't struggle against either guy dude.

Manny lost because of Floyd's length and ability to bx and move. Manny may have been better in 2010, but so was Floyd. Floyd was LAWAYS going to be a problem for Mnany because of his size, speed and arm length.

manny boxed and moved better than floyd which enabled him to land the much cleaner punches. clean punches only matter in some fights though...some fights you just have to feel who the winner is. in your gut.

[RomanReigns]

You can't use triangle theories as every fight is different. He didn't struggle against either guy dude.

Manny lost because of Floyd's length and ability to bx and move. Manny may have been better in 2010, but so was Floyd. Floyd was LAWAYS going to be a problem for Mnany because of his size, speed and arm length.

Exactly. He is just a Style Nightmare for Pacquiao.