if only there were to simulate fights of fighters at there peak, man what fun i would have creatin match ups.
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WHO IS PERNELL "SWEET PEA" WHITAKER
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Whitaker was my favorite fighter of all-time. He was one of the greatest lightweights of all-time and was up there as a welterweight as well, despite being the smaller man in pretty much every fight at 147.
He was a defensive wizard and is the only other guy who is in a class with the great Willie Pep in terms of elusiveness. His reflexes and leg strength were phenomenal. He could use his gloves, shoulders and arms to deflect punches, or he could just use his tree trunk legs and reflexes to slip punches or avoid them all together.
His jab was educated and his mastery of the ring was incredible. He knew all of the angles and frustrated just about everyone he fought with his skills. No fighter ever looked good against Whitaker.
His career was riddled with controversy...whether it was the first Jose Luis Ramirez bout in which he completely outboxed the champion en route to one of the worst decisions ever seen in the 1980's. It was so controversial that a suit was filed against Whitakers manager after they accused officials of a fix. He also received a digustingly bad decision against Chavez...a fight in which he won by at least a margin of 4 points. After that controversy was seen in his bout with Oscar De La Hoya. Whitaker was already on the decline by that point, but he used a good jab and flustered the longer, more powerful De La Hoya with his defense and movement all night. He even dropped De La Hoya...but he still saw himself losing at the end of the night by margins of up to 6 points. It was a close fight, not a robbery, but I thought Whitaker did enough to win the fight and the challenger did not do enough to take the title from the champ.
Whitaker was never known as a puncher whatsoever...but the myth that he was feather fisted is a lie. Whitaker chose the road of pure boxer, rather than puncher. He'd opt to score as opposed to sit down on his punches and fire away with power shots. He did show flashes of power throughout his career though. He knocked out Juan Nazario in a unified title fight with one punch. He laid an absolute beating on Miguel Santana and stopped him midway through their fight, and he stopped an undefeated Dio Hurtado in an amazing come from behind knockout victory. He was a crafty counter-puncher still, with a great jab.
There aren't many fighters I can see beating Whitaker at lower weights. At 135 and 140 he was just an absolute monster. He was truly a great fighter, maybe the best of the 90's. for evidence of his greatness watch his fight against the all-time great champion Azumah Nelson, or his career defining performance against the unbeaten Julio Cesar Chavez. His world title winning performance in his 4th weight class against the rugged champion Julio Cesar Vazquez was a great performance too.
Whew...Last edited by oldgringo; 05-08-2006, 11:31 PM.
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Originally posted by moraleskospacisbackif only there were to simulate fights of fighters at there peak, man what fun i would have creatin match ups.
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Originally posted by burglarI'm just a relatively new boxing fan.Probably I really got interested in watching boxing mid 80's.The first boxing match I really remember in its entirety was the Ray Leonard, Marvelous Hagler fight.I was just a kid at that time, just 7 yrs old. But the fight really stuck with me.Ever since then boxing is in me.Nonetheless, I grew up in a small town in the Philippines where back then, we get a little information about boxing.We seldom see international fights probably once a month, on our free local channel.If we get lucky, twice.On top of it, every international boxing match was peppered with commercial breaks which collectively took longer in broadcast time than the actual fight itself.The situation was really frustrating for us boxing fans.This went on until the advent of the God's gift to us-CABLE NETWORK and INTERNET.
As such, I began to re-traced back my passion for boxing and now Im very much satisfied with all the news, information and fights I get to see. Nonetheless, I missed a lot of beautiful fights and good fighters, that dominated the sport. One of them was Pernell " sweet pea" Whitaker.
I know for a fact that he is a future HOF.His defense was the best.He used to be the top P4P fighter. He was beaten by Vernon Forrest(am I correct?). His status as the the best fighter in the world was ineherited by Roy Jones Jr.(or was it Shane Mosley?).A lot of you guys have good words for Sweet Pea which intrigues me a lot 'bout him. Which brings me to my original question.Who is Pernell Whitaker for you? What kind of a fighter is he? Is he a puncher or boxer? Comparing his style with our current crop of boxers,which style do you associate him the most? how will he fare in a fantasy fight with them assuming he is stiill in his prime?
I'm obviously not his fan,(athough i could have been), just a regular boxing enthusiast. Please help me out on this.Your replies will be greatly appreciated. If you have video clips about his fights please post them out.Good Karma to all
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Originally posted by oldgringoWhitaker was my favorite fighter of all-time. He was one of the greatest lightweights of all-time and was up there as a welterweight as well, despite being the smaller man in pretty much every fight at 147.
He was a defensive wizard and is the only other guy who is in a class with the great Willie Pep in terms of elusiveness. His reflexes and leg strength were phenomenal. He could use his gloves, shoulders and arms to deflect punches, or he could just use his tree trunk legs and reflexes to slip punches or avoid them all together.
His jab was educated and his mastery of the ring was incredible. He knew all of the angles and frustrated just about everyone he fought with his skills. No fighter ever looked good against Whitaker.
His career was riddled with controversy...whether it was the first Jose Luis Ramirez bout in which he completely outboxed the champion en route to one of the worst decisions ever seen in the 1980's. It was so controversial that a suit was filed against Whitakers manager after they accused officials of a fix. He also received a digustingly bad decision against Chavez...a fight in which he won by at least a margin of 4 points. After that controversy was seen in his bout with Oscar De La Hoya. Whitaker was already on the decline by that point, but he used a good jab and flustered the longer, more powerful De La Hoya with his defense and movement all night. He even dropped De La Hoya...but he still saw himself losing at the end of the night by margins of up to 6 points. It was a close fight, not a robbery, but I thought Whitaker did enough to win the fight and the challenger did not do enough to take the title from the champ.
Whitaker was never known as a puncher whatsoever...but the myth that he was feather fisted is a lie. Whitaker chose the road of pure boxer, rather than puncher. He'd opt to score as opposed to sit down on his punches and fire away with power shots. He did show flashes of power throughout his career though. He knocked out Juan Nazario in a unified title fight with one punch. He laid an absolute beating on Miguel Santana and stopped him midway through their fight, and he stopped an undefeated Dio Hurtado in an amazing come from behind knockout victory. He was a crafty counter-puncher still, with a great jab.
There aren't many fighters I can see beating Whitaker at lower weights. At 135 and 140 he was just an absolute monster. He was truly a great fighter, maybe the best of the 90's. for evidence of his greatness watch his fight against the all-time great champion Azumah Nelson, or his career defining performance against the unbeaten Julio Cesar Chavez. His world title winning performance in his 4th weight class against the rugged champion Julio Cesar Vazquez was a great performance too.
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sorry, i miss tony...
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Originally posted by oldgringoWhitaker was my favorite fighter of all-time. He was one of the greatest lightweights of all-time and was up there as a welterweight as well, despite being the smaller man in pretty much every fight at 147.
He was a defensive wizard and is the only other guy who is in a class with the great Willie Pep in terms of elusiveness. His reflexes and leg strength were phenomenal. He could use his gloves, shoulders and arms to deflect punches, or he could just use his tree trunk legs and reflexes to slip punches or avoid them all together.
His jab was educated and his mastery of the ring was incredible. He knew all of the angles and frustrated just about everyone he fought with his skills. No fighter ever looked good against Whitaker.
His career was riddled with controversy...whether it was the first Jose Luis Ramirez bout in which he completely outboxed the champion en route to one of the worst decisions ever seen in the 1980's. It was so controversial that a suit was filed against Whitakers manager after they accused officials of a fix. He also received a digustingly bad decision against Chavez...a fight in which he won by at least a margin of 4 points. After that controversy was seen in his bout with Oscar De La Hoya. Whitaker was already on the decline by that point, but he used a good jab and flustered the longer, more powerful De La Hoya with his defense and movement all night. He even dropped De La Hoya...but he still saw himself losing at the end of the night by margins of up to 6 points. It was a close fight, not a robbery, but I thought Whitaker did enough to win the fight and the challenger did not do enough to take the title from the champ.
Whitaker was never known as a puncher whatsoever...but the myth that he was feather fisted is a lie. Whitaker chose the road of pure boxer, rather than puncher. He'd opt to score as opposed to sit down on his punches and fire away with power shots. He did show flashes of power throughout his career though. He knocked out Juan Nazario in a unified title fight with one punch. He laid an absolute beating on Miguel Santana and stopped him midway through their fight, and he stopped an undefeated Dio Hurtado in an amazing come from behind knockout victory. He was a crafty counter-puncher still, with a great jab.
There aren't many fighters I can see beating Whitaker at lower weights. At 135 and 140 he was just an absolute monster. He was truly a great fighter, maybe the best of the 90's. for evidence of his greatness watch his fight against the all-time great champion Azumah Nelson, or his career defining performance against the unbeaten Julio Cesar Chavez. His world title winning performance in his 4th weight class against the rugged champion Julio Cesar Vazquez was a great performance too.
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Originally posted by DLTI only skimmed through all the post on this thread but did anyone ever tell the guy who made this thread that Forrest never beat Sweet Pea? I think thats a key part that it seemed as everyone skipped over.
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